New Skoda Superb question for battery experts

davidivad

Hi lads,

Skoda are bringing a new hybrid Kodiaq and a new hybrid Superb to the market this summer with 25kw batteries. Both claim to do a 100km range on electric only.

My question is, if the sweet spot for batteries is still between 20%-80% charge, is this the same in a hybrid so 80% of 100 is 80km range. My daily commute is 42 km each way so 85km in total and 70km of that is motorway, so is there any chance I'd get even half the journey done on the battery?? When the battery runs out, does it just seamlessly move to the petrol engine?

Finally, would it be bad for the battery to fully deplete it every day?

Any answers appreciated, good or bad!!!

MarkN

It will take 50kW DC charging, perhaps charging to 100% using that every day would not be ideal due to thermal management. At the same time, using any 100% charged battery right away is a lot better than leaving it at 100% and doing nothing. Use a 7.4kW option and charge to 90% daily as a compromise maybe?

100kms won’t be achievable and 70% of that at motorway making it less so. You’re probably talking 19kWh/100kms minimum on a motorway, particularly in the Kodiaq. That said, it’s a 25kWh battery (gross).

You could of course use it in hybrid mode for the motorway and do the rest on just EV.

davidivad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121699162#Comment_121699162

Do those cars have three modes so? I could be completely incorrect but I assumed it was fully electric or else fully petrol , with the driver selecting which or whether. When you say hybrid mode, what does that mean?

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058334011/new-skoda-superb-question-for-battery-experts

There is a buffer in nearly any battery type car, The old superb has a Capacity 13 kwh and usable of 10.4 kwh, your unlikely to go over 90% or under 5%, basically the car will show 0 to 100% and all you will use is the 10 kwh.

Range, I have no idea, its down to your right foot, nice and easy gets the best results in any car, cold and miserable weather are worse on battery powered cars.

Say you have 21 kwh usable, big fat EVs can do 25 kWh per 100 km, I think there is a good chance you can make the 85 km on battery, worse case you use a litre of petrol or so in cold weather.

You might not notice the switch over, some cars give a little kick like a gear change, sometimes the only way I know is the rev counter.

Your not depleting the battery, remember buffer, if the opportunity presented itself I would deplete mine 2 or 3 times a day. you have the option of fast charging @ 50 kwh and AC charging at 11 kWh, I would make full use of them depending on cost, free is best, at ecars 55 cents is break even for me, what swings it for me is free parking. petrol price increase or electric charging cost drop would incentivise more charging, but its only when I am actually not doing anything anyway or say you wanted to pee or drink coffee, you could easily fast charge back up to nearly full or gain 25% in 30 minutes on AC.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121699756#Comment_121699756

Most phevs you can choose, save , charge and EV, charge is a waste of fuel, save keeps the battery at a certain level, it could drive in hybrid mode while you have chosen "save", if there is no need for power the engine will switch off for example, slowing down for a round about.

Most important is the cost of the car, I have no idea how much they are.

davidivad

Yes the cost of the car will be interesting. I would say superb will enter the market around €45k, higher spec will be €50+ and hybrid will be €55+.

Huge money really and hard to justify. If ICE isn't used much will the engine then struggle, does it need to be used consistently enough to stay working correctly? Are services dearer as you have two different systems to check??

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121702010#Comment_121702010

Its up to you if want to pay for a new car, I bought new when I was 21 some 3 decades ago, bought new again 3 years later and thats it, 2nd hand, 3 to 5 years old, buy cheap imports, drive for a year and sell for no loss or some profit.

I would recommend to any one buy new once, its a nice feeling, 2nd time is not the same.

The engine will take care of itself, I had a Mitsubishi outlander, the engine would run when the petrol reached 4 months of age, it would continue to run till you added more, just to keep the tank fresh.

My BMW, the engine will kick in every so often, I use it regularly enough, but it could switch on for a few minutes, then back to EV, I have no idea why it does that, maybe to circulate fluids or keep something loose. the tank is pressurised so petrol lasts longer.

No idea on service, last time I was at a main dealer was 4 years ago with the outlander, just to keep it in warranty. At the time I thought it was reasonable enough, something to ask when your talking to the sales man, maybe a service pack, sometimes they can be good value.

davidivad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121702561#Comment_121702561

Very interesting how different cars deal with the petrol not being used regularly in the hybrids.

Casati

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121702010#Comment_121702010

Kodiaq pricing just out - phev is 57590 so yeah likely the Superb will be maybe 5k less than that - then add on met and delivery and its 55k

davidivad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121708594#Comment_121708594

Jesus, you're on the ball. Thanks for that. WHere did you see the pricing, not on Skoda's website anyway.

kanuseeme

Expensive, whats the ice version like? if its only a few k in the difference, I would stomach it, but something like the rav4 10000 euro difference, I would just move on to another car.

davidivad

That €53,670 gets you the basic 150hp front-drive diesel, while if you want a plug-in hybrid that'll be €57,590. The PHEV model will be the only five-seat Kodiaq - the battery takes up the space needed for the folding third row - as all of the rest of the lineup comes with seven seats as standard.

That's the pricing plan, hopefully the superb will be €5k cheaper.