Amalgamated juvenile Teams

davidx40

If 2 clubs field a amalgamated team at underage level do they have to play up a division , we were always told that was the rule ......has this changed

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058333697/amalgamated-juvenile-teams

I think it's down to your own county's rules. There's no national rule (I could stand corrected on that)

Uncle Pierre

Correct that there's no national rule, and it's down to the county's Coiste na nÓg CCC to grade the amalgamated team as they see fit.

Could well be subject to county bye-laws, but I don't think it could be as simple as "must play up a division". If one of the clubs in the amalgamation was in Div. 3 by themselves last year, and the other was in Div. 4, then where would you put the amalgamated team?

Put them in Div. 2, and the Div. 4 team from last year would claim it's not right, as they'd now have to play up two divisions.

Leave them in Div. 3, and everybody else would complain that the club that was in Div. 3 already is not playing up a division at all.

lainers99

I think it’s always changing. I thought if you amalgamated 2 age groups you had to play up to the older age group, but this year a local Dublin club is amalgamating U13 and U14 and registering as a U13 team. It seems Dublin county board are ok with it.

Stationmaster

Every county is different. There is no general rule to cover this. You would hope each county grades all teams fairly whether they are amalgamations or not.

arctictree

We have some amalgamated teams here in Wicklow that enter multiple teams at the same age level. E.g. a Div 1 and a Div 4 team. There is always a big debate about whether it should be allowed or not. One of them got to the minor A final last year.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121702973#Comment_121702973

Anyone born in 2010 will not be playing U13 this year anywhere. Any born in 2011 is eligible for U13s

Uncle Pierre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121707320#Comment_121707320

That's an odd one to me, and wouldn't be allowed here in Wexford.

Our by-laws on such things are that an amalgamation is only allowed where the clubs demonstrate that without it, they wouldn't be able to field at that age level at all - e.g. Club A shows they only have 12 players, and Club B shows they only have 10. Between them then, they get to field one team.

If an amalgamation was granted and they suddenly said "oh, we now have 35 to 40 players between us, so we want to put in two teams", there'd be all sorts of questions asked, and chances are the amalgamation would be rescinded again.

Only possible exception would be if Club A had let's say 27 players and Club B had nine or ten, such that Club A doesn't have enough for two teams in its own right, and Club B doesn't have enough for one. But I honestly don't know, as I've never heard of it arising.

lainers99

They definitely are a combination of 2010 and 2011 players on a U13 team this year. My son is in school with the chairman’s son who plays on that team

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757418#Comment_121757418

Knowingly fielding illegal players then. Under X means only players who turn X years old or younger in the current calendar year are eligible to play at that age grade.

Doesn’t matter if a player doesn’t turn 14 until December 31st this year, they are still overage for under 13 unless they are born in 2011 or later.

Uncle Pierre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757418#Comment_121757418

I seriously have to suspect you're getting something wrong here. Anybody born in 2010 is quite clearly overage for U13 this year, and I'm seriously struggling to think of any circumstances in which a County Board would give the green light to an U13 team (or any other underage team) that includes overage players.

Only thing I can come up with is maybe it's some sort of short-term arrangement for an invitational tournament or similar, rather than official League or Championship competition? But even then, they'd still have an advantage over other clubs who are entering genuine U13 teams.

HurlingBoy

What is the rule on amalgamations in terms of name changes? If a club(Club A) has say 13 players and take in 5 players from a neighbouring club(Club B) to make up a team does the name of the team need to change i.e a name with both clubs or it is just an agreement between both clubs.

Uncle Pierre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122704733#Comment_122704733

If it's an actual amalgamation, there must be a compromise name - e.g. if one club is Ballymore and the other is Ballybeg, the amalgamated name might be Morebeg Gaels.

And with the numbers you give you in your example, it would be an amalgamation, since neither club has enough players to field a team in its own right.

On the other hand, if Club A had say 17 players, and took in four or five from Club B under the so-called "isolated player" rule, then Club A could continue to field under its own name all right.

Cavan_King

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121707320#Comment_121707320

That happens in Cavan too and I can’t understand it. Two teams play up to U12 separately and then join at U14, U16 and minor and enter two teams. If you’re fit to paddle your own canoe, why not just continue to?

What is even more confusing is that there are U13 grading games for U14 at the end of each year and the two clubs that are going to analgamate play separately in those!

slegs

Kildare have amalgamations with 3 club teams (large clubs in many cases) in Division 3 and 4 of the championship which is a joke. Small clubs trying to make it on their own constantly squeezed out of progression.

HurlingBoy

Up until U12 it is Go Games so these are non competitive and girls can also play. At U13/U14 these are competitive games and at a minimum 13 a side and girls cannot play so it is more difficult for rural clubs to field teams. A huge amount of rural clubs are amalgamating in Limerick, those staying on their own end up being non competitive in lower division so their is no easy solution. The weaker kids end up not playing in Amalgamated clubs but it's very difficult for coaches when tight on numbers and kids from younger have to play to make up teams which is not ideal either.

Kevhog1988

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122716759#Comment_122716759

Two senior north kildare clubs amalgmated at underage is mad.

Deskjockey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757418#Comment_121757418

Agree with the other posters, there are no circumstances that an 2010 born player could play in an officially sanctioned u13 competition this year. (League or championship) Only kids born anytime during the calender year of 2011 (or later than this) could play u13 this year. 2010 born kids should not be playing in interclub u13 games (how your club combines kids for internal training purposes is a different matter, and they may mix these ages together)

I also believe you have the wrong end of the stick here .

The clue is in the "u" part of u13 which means under :)