Sourcing Subsoil / Constructions waste / Topsoil Fill

StereoPlay

Hi All,

I have an old empty sandpit / quarry that was handed down to me in Co. Roscommon that I'd like to return to agricultural land at some stage. For references it's approx 20 acres. Before I do however it needs a significant amount of fill to bring it back close to it's original level decades ago. I'm wondering if anyone has any idea / suggestions on where I could source this fill?

I see subsoil/topsoil being removed from all sorts of commercial construction projects across the country but am unsure who I should reach out to (Waste companies, main developers, county councils?) I'm assuming the subsoil would be offered for free as it could be difficult for people to find suitable locations to get rid of it?

Thanks for any options you all may have.

Calahonda52

You may need a licence to fill it and the issue then is making sure its not used to dump waste hidden under a layer of soil

Water John

It requires planning permission TMK.

StereoPlay

Thanks Calahonda52 & Water John. This would most definitely require planning permission due to the volume of fill required!

ballinadog

Well well worth engaging with someone like MKO in Galway. Basically, all construction waste has to be disposed of in Permitted Licensed Tips. Hauliers are to lodge their returns as part of their waste license issued by the NWCPO. The ability to fly tip now is getting harder and harder. There is a shortage of tips. You can read up more on it on the EPA website but it’s not too difficult to obtain a COR licence which from memory limits you to 10k tonne in in the year once you satisfy a few conditions. Long story short, for a quarry that size you’d have a few options. You could charge by the load coming in the gate (some places charging up to 120 a load) or you could do a deal with a Civil/Earthworks Contractor or Haulier where they take it on for say five years and fill it for you. As I said, chat to someone like MKO an for not mad money they’ll carry out a feasibility study an suss out what’s a runner or not

Water John

Local builder has bought a sloped field for six houses, when the site is filled. He is firstly taking a lot of builders rubble from Cork city, over 20 miles away, crushing some and recycling that. Has his own lorries on the road drawing. As the poster above shows, these regs have opened a whole new business opportunity.

Aravo

N5 Ballaghaderreen to Scramogue road scheme in Co. Ros. Contract signed with Wills Brothers in Dec 2023. In a situation like that if there was excess material on site. A contractor could look after the planning permission and the fill works itself. Closer to the Road scheme the better for the contractor, less haulage, less costs etc.

enricoh

Know a lad drawing from Dublin city to Monaghan, can't get in anywhere closer.

101 rules and regulations and certs nowadays, could be very lucrative but I doubt 100k would look at getting started. Probably closer to a mil!

cjpm

Are you sure the sand pit/quarry is actually empty? If there are any deposits left some company may be interested in it. Big shortages of quarry products coming down the tracks as it’s almost impossible to open a quarry nowadays.

If you go the filling route - the simplest solution it to contact some companies that do soil/ construction waste disposal. If you get someone interested they’d do all the paperwork required for opening the tip (both PP and a licence are required) and the day to day paperwork too.

dohc turbo2

3 attics drawing daily from fermoy to Tralee, dumping , can't get it in cork, madness , all stuff coming from recycling centre afaik

StereoPlay

Hi All,

Thanks to everyone who has commented. Some very useful information here.

Does anyone know what sort of money I should be looking for per rigid truck load for this sort of material if the waste company looks after all planning / licence requirements?

Aravo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622993#Comment_121622993

If they looked after the planning, licencing and filled the area, levelled the area and seeded it afterwards. All done in a timely fashion. Then there's your payment.

If on the other hand you want to look after the planning and have your own machines to level the area and pay wages. Then by all means, install a weighbridge and charge per tonne.

A phrase that comes to mind. "To have your cake and eat it too"

roosterman71

You should get something out of it money wise too. No harm in asking anyway. Even if it was modest at €1/ton or €20/load. You'd need someway to verify the tonnage or loads unless you live by the site an can see entry/exit.

Are you sure the sandpit is empty? You should be 100% sure of that. If it's not, you can charge someone for taking the remaining sand out while also charge for the filling coming in.

148multi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121612029#Comment_121612029

Doubt he'll get anything off Wills, unless he has rock for them, plenty of boggy spots on that route, they'll layer rock an subsoil and need spoil for embankment.

I know of 1 quarry in roscommon taking in loads for €90

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121624291#Comment_121624291

I always wondered what they did on the really deep boggy spots of them roads

Jd310

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632225#Comment_121632225

Keep digging till gets hard usually.

One thing you definitely wouldn’t be able to take is tar. A lot of regs around it

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632245#Comment_121632245

Ya the tar is a big no no alright I'm told

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632255#Comment_121632255

Still easy enough to get tar dropped off in farm yards around here for 100 cash to lorry many regardless of regulations.

Jd310

Alright till it’s noticed on load counts and things like that, most contractors now have to draw it to specialist recycling and receive paperwork per load. if it’s plainings might get away alright as it’s considered recycled but big lumps of tar considered hazardous. Madness really

148multi

Seen big lumps come off council job brought to local quarry

Who2

I rang a lad who was organising loads for lads at 100, he started charging 150 to a lot and tried me for 200 as he thought I was stuck. He has rang me four or five times to see if I needed any recently but I just told him I wasn’t interested . It was a better job to get clean stone.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121645090#Comment_121645090

With all the rules and regulations coming in it could be iffy putting it down nowadays. It'd want to be cheap, e200 ain't cheap. God knows what it'd cost if you had to remove it

148multi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058331128/sourcing-subsoil-constructions-waste-topsoil-fill

Is all the stone depleted