Calf to beef thread

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121974962#Comment_121974962

so how long do you put your Calfs on it, for 15 days or till weaning? Is this your first year using it?

weatherbyfoxer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121975191#Comment_121975191

It's recommended you feed 30ml for 28 days per calf..works out around €15 per calf..use them here but only if a pen is a bit scoury..

1848

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971283#Comment_121971283

performance is good but might be better on a 16-18% protein ration, more growth & less flesh on heifers. I presume a finisher but is 12-14% protein.

weatherbyfoxer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121975765#Comment_121975765

The red clover silage was 18% protein so no need for more than 12-14% in the meal

jfh

Have a fr bull calf that is 9 weeks old on milk oad, he looks very bloated, any suggestions what I should give him

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121976049#Comment_121976049

Get a stomach tube and the paraffin stuff off the vet and stomach tube it into him. Ask the vet for a multivitamin for him too maybe.

Base price

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121976049#Comment_121976049

60ml of Milk of Magnesia (the stuff in the blue bottle) in a dosing syringe. That is what we use. How much milk powder and litres are you feeding him on oad and when did you start oad. I presume he has access to crunch/pencils as well as roughage. If he isn't better tomorrow morning get your Vet to look at him.

minerleague

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121976049#Comment_121976049

Spoon of bread soda ( mix with a little water and dose )

emaherx

How to keep an idiot busy for an afternoon 😁

farmerphil135

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121981214#Comment_121981214

is the crate sitting on a scales? Looks a right job to get weights while dehorning

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121985715#Comment_121985715

Yeah, worked well but it could have done with being fixed to the scales. There was a bit of sliding with loading some of the more feisty calves.

tractorporn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121930541#Comment_121930541

Had a calf with blood scour this eve, spotted blood on the floor and had to wait to see her dunging to figure out which one it was, there wasn't a loss on her. Am I safer to just treat the rest of the batch out of a face or buy a bottle and treat as they show?

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121985931#Comment_121985931

I’d give all of them at least 20 days old a shot of Vecoxan.

minerleague

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121985931#Comment_121985931

Sometimes if you see actual red blood in otherwise ok dung it might be a touch of pneumonia, blood scour dung tends to be blackish or you would see calf forcing. I find sulpha powders better to treat than injections for calf with blood scour( dont know why ) but give rest vecoxan ( or similar product) as precaution

Edit to add if you treat a calf with antibiotics for blood scour continue treatment for a day (or 2) after calf seems back to normal

Back to say just had one myself yesterday evening ( I'm blaming you 😁 ) one of the first to calve, area around water trough all wet muddy - cows teats dirty

Base price

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121976049#Comment_121976049

How is your calf doing.

farmer2018

What mart is the best value for calves atm for Angus calves, good types?

tractorporn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987366#Comment_121987366

I'm going to collect bovicox on the way home from work today and do the whole pen just in case. The heifer is flying it now after getting Cevazuril. She's still scouring a bit but the blood is gone from it this morning, in fairness it knocked nothing out of her. ²

jfh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121988672#Comment_121988672

As someone suggested here went with the bread soda and water, he's definitely much better. Thanks

jfh

Didn't have milk of magnesia and I'll never forget the taste of it, my mother used to dose us with it, I actually liked the taste

Neddyusa

This lad thinks you shouldn't be able to see the calf's dam breed on the mart board!

https://www.tiktok.com/@irishfarmersjournal/video/7355511571898027297

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121995718#Comment_121995718

FFS.. Imagine trying to by a 100hp tractor, but the dealers have New Hollands and Tumosans, you are just given the price for a 100hp tractor but don't know which one you are getting! Sure I trust they are both 100hp and will probably do the job but one of them is just better worth more. Damn right I want to know the make and model of what I'm buying.

The only way it is better to remove information from the board is for the seller, so **** the buyer they are only little beef men anyway, sure they should be happy with what they get.

"You either trust the genetics or you dont"… So no need to hide the animals genetics from the board.

cosatron

What organisation does that guy represent. Not being able to see the dam breed is folly and trust the icbf makey uppy figures.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121995820#Comment_121995820

Pretty sure he's a dairy farmer with a load calves to sell from JE, JEX dams.

Bass Reeves

It took 3-5 years to get the dam breed on the board. Its information calf buyers need. CBV will have a significant influence in the long term if it bears reality to what happens on the ground.

But to what is CBV value related to, feed efficiency, growth rate, early maturing because they are a different when applied to different systems.

As well many farmers buy for there particular system and Adrian should realise they are entitled to as much information as possible.

This mess was created by the absence of willingness to acknowledge that a problem existed until it significantly hit dairy farmers pockets in calf value. Calf are plentiful lads have choicestgey are entitled to pick and choose

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121995929#Comment_121995929

As well many farmers buy for there particular system and Adrian should realise they are entitled to as much information as possible.

This is it exactly, hiding real information in favour of a score would not go down well at all.

But how much can we really trust CBV? All of the calves I bought this year have a CBV some are higher than others and with a few exceptions it seems to track in their current performance, but none of these calves were genotyped and neither were most of their dams. My best performing calf has one of the lowest CBV values.

Anto_Meath

Haven't bought any calves this year and don't think I will. Bit of a change in the full time job, so haven’t the time. Plus as I have said before it's my least profitable enterprise.

But I was at the calf ring on bank holiday Monday for a look & many of the calves had no CBV. Plus us suckler farmers are sceptical of genomic informationas some of our Simx cows that were 5 star this time last year dropped to 2 & 3 Star last October thanks to genomic valuations.

Siamsa Sessions

Would he say the same if he was milking British Friesian cows?

What he's on about might be the case in 4-5 years time, if he could produce data to back it up; e.g. calves with high CBV consistently sell for more, regardless of the dam breed, over calves with low CBV, regardless of the dam breed.

When he has that data, then he might have a point. Until then, he's just advocating a system that suits himself.

Bass Reeves

Who is he at all where is he based and what is is dairy system

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996152#Comment_121996152

But if the data does backup the CBV by then, there will be no need to remove the Dam breed at all.

blue5000

After a statement like that 'we either believe in genetics or we don't' it's contradicting himself. No beef farmer wants Jersey genetics. I think if he's selling calves in a mart he'll have to pay lads to take them if they saw this video. I wonder with all the crap dairy genetics out there would any beef farmers be interested in suckler in calf heifers?

Just had a bordbia inspection and he had about 3 phone calls during it from people wanting to postpone it.