U18 Vapes banned

kirk.

We sleepwalked into a big problem here

Kids addicted to nicotine and they turn to cigarettes when they don't have a vape

I presume parents will supply Nicorette or similar to the addicted U18s or they'll continue to vape or smoke by some other means

kirk.

A high percentage of the kids I interact with are addicted

They switch around between vapes and cigarettes . Some of the older ones are looking to quit via nicotine alternatives gum etc

Shame it was allowed to happen really

Grayson

You don't even need to ban it, just restrict it. Vaping for many smokers has been a great way to get away from smoking. Smoking is so much worse than vaping. And it should be available to them.

I'd stop all newsagents etc from selling those cheap disposable vapes for a start. Only allow any vaping stuff to be sold in vape shops. If a vape shop is caught once selling to someone underaged, close them down for a while. they'll learn their lesson.

Disclaimer: I vape. I smoked for years. Switching over helped a lot. I'll quit vaping at some point. I don't want to be addicted to something. But for now I'm ok with vaping.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521097#Comment_121521097

That's a different subject matter , adult vapers

artanevilla

Disposable vapes should be banned.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521113#Comment_121521113

It isn't if we're talking about access to vapes. A lot of the suggestions I see when people discuss teens vaping is about restricting access. I'm ok with measures that restrict access to vapes for teens, but I still want them to be available to adults.

An example would be flavors. I hate tobacco flavored vapes. I know that sounds weird since I smokes for years. I always smoke fruity/sweet flavored vapes. I don't want to see them ban all flavoured vapes. I'm ok with stopping newsagents from selling all vapes, but I'd still like adults to be able to get the full range of everything at vape shops.

And lets remember, the thread title is Vapes banned.

beertons

I had to go on patches to get off the vapes. Horribly addictive.

Montage of Feck

Those vape shops put me off, cheap neon lit seedy looking places. Wouldn't give me such faith in their products, not that inhaling Chinese mystery liquid appeals to me anyway.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521196#Comment_121521196

Title edited It's under 18s that's been banned

Sure vapes have a purpose for adults switching from cigarettes

greenspurs

Whats in Vapes??

Im sure they are 'bad' for you? Does anyone know what the inevitable harmful stuff in them are?

whisky_galore

Inhaling boiling Chinese chemicals, perfectly safe I'm sure.

Lol.

Isthisthingon?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521330#Comment_121521330

I'm sure others who are better informed than me will be able to let us know the specifics but I seem to recall one doctor stating that, even without nicotine, it is the concentrated flavors/ colours and other chemicals which I doubt are harmless that are being inhaled directly into the lungs - he said this can lead to untold irreversible damage - the lungs aren't designed to filter these things out on a continuous basis - it is akin to working in a spray painting shop all day every day without a mask.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521586#Comment_121521586

Its fcuking mental !!!

Its like at the start of the cigarette boom, when smoking was cool, and encouraged ..... No talk of the harmful effects .......

Now its yummy flavours instead of Doctors and babies ..........................

Crazy sh1t .................................

Glaceon

From what I've been reading, Australia are banning them outright except on prescription as a stop smoking aid. Starting with disposables in January and refillables in March.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-begins-crackdown-vaping-ban-import-single-use-devices-2023-11-28/

To ensure the bans don't limit access for smokers looking to quit, doctors and nurses will be given expanded powers in January to prescribe therapeutic vapes where clinically appropriate.

randd1

I'm not a smoker. never have been. Is it basically the same process as crack cocaine? Heating a substance until the until the crystals are small enough to be inhaled via vapours?

Can't see how that was seen as a healthy alternative to smoking.

D3V!L

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521999#Comment_121521999

I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this but I dont believe that most "vapers" are the most intelligent people. How can you if you vaporise random chemicals and then inhale them and claim they are "healthy".

LambshankRedemption

The amount of misinformation on this thread is both laughable and unsurprising.

The main ingredients are nicotine, food grade flavorings, polyclycol or vegetable glycerin. The only other "chemical" is dihydrogen monoxide aka water. It's funny how you can make anything scary by referring to it containing chemicals.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521999#Comment_121521999

It's nothing like crack cocaine.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522057#Comment_121522057

You didnt copy and paste the bad bits though ......

"What are the harmful chemicals in Vapes?

Besides nicotine, e-cigarettes can contain harmful and potentially harmful ingredients, including:

• ultrafine particles that can be inhaled deep into the lungs.
• flavorants such as diacetyl, a chemical linked to serious lung disease.
• volatile organic compounds.
• heavy metals, such as nickel, tin, and lead.

Is vape bad for your teeth?

One of the main ingredients in vape juice is propylene glycol (PG), which is safe to eat and inhale but when used orally breaks down into acids that damage enamel, and propionaldehyde, which irritates soft tissue. PG also causes dry mouth, taking away essential saliva, leading to cavities and gum disease.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522028#Comment_121522028

You eat loads of random chemicals. Do you know what they all are? Do you know how long they've been on the market? No. You assume that the regulatory groups have checked everything.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522137#Comment_121522137

Have you a source for this?

By the way diacetyl has been banned in vape juice since 2016.

Here are some other facts for you: https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/20/clearing-up-some-myths-around-e-cigarettes/

dalyboy

It’s about time this under 18 law was brought in. Now I hope we can drop all the nonsense about telling ADULTS not to vape or dictate the flavours they are to purchase. I stopped tobacco smoking 10 years ago and switched to vapes.

I went from a very unhealthy 38 year old with hard to breathe lungs and cough to a super fit 48 year old with zero lung issues or related health problems.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522241#Comment_121522241

To be honest I would have assumed it was banned for under 16's the same as for cigarettes. I also hope this stigma about vaping fruity flavours ceases now. It just so happens I like vaping cherry or blueberry flavour.

LastFridayNight

The government has been tragically slow on this. Also didn’t go far enough, they should also block advertising completely and ban the point-of-sale display. Fine if existing adult smokers want an alternative but let’s stop encouraging new-comers from starting a pointless addictive habit.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522318#Comment_121522318

What advertising?

LambshankRedemption

Double post.

Deebles McBeebles

Fully agree disposable vapes should be a goner, it's the most prevalent form of litter you see these days. Oh for the days of diposable masks and dog sh*te. How they were ever allowed is beyond me.

About time the ban on sale to under 18's was put in place too but lads, if you were looking to the government to save your kids from this, you're barking up the wrong tree. Big tobacco wins again.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522318#Comment_121522318

There were a fair few health professionals and addiction experts going to bat for vapes to stay as they are. Can only assume they were getting a tidy sum from the tobacco “lobby”.

Great news they are being banned for kids. They’ve always been a better substitute for adults to get off cigarette, childish flavours aside. Just a shame that the tobacco industry has already gotten their claws into a couple of future generations.

randd1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522067#Comment_121522067

I'm not saying it is, of course it isn't, just is it taken in via the same physical process?

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522578#Comment_121522578

No.

seamusk84

But it’s just a ban on sale to minors right? Like they are not banned from using them?

Or is that just how this works for everything and I’m just confused.

Isthisthingon?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522637#Comment_121522637

That does raise an interesting point - one could infer that by not being able to legally buy them then you cant legally use/ consume them. We had this discussion early on today in work - what age could a kid buy them prior to this? had it in our heads that is was 16 for some reason.

artanevilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522637#Comment_121522637

Same for tobacco products, illegal to sell to U18s, but not to consume if you are U18.

Isthisthingon?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522726#Comment_121522726

I wonder is it because U18 cant be tried as adults etc etc and or you'd have courts full up and down the country with kids before the judge.

Still does seem contradictory.

TheIrishGrover

I can't believe they weren't banned for under 18s until now. That's insane. And yeah, they REALLY have to ban the disposables next. Honest to god, coming out with such a disposable product these days was just shocking.

I always thought the whole vape scene was/is shady AF: From the deliberate targeting of minors with their flavours. To the saturation of their popup stalls everywhere. To the fact that they did come out with such disposable devices in 2022/2023. To the overall lack of regulation. God knows WHAT'S in them. They need to go. And now! They should be treated exactly the same as cigarettes.

rob316

I own a vape shop, I and another large group of shop owners are petitioning the government for years to ban to under 18's. It's too little too late, damage is done, the whole industry has been demonized, tax and flavour bans are next until the industry is left to big tobacco. Quite ironic really

The day a rep showed me an elf bar, I said this was the beginning of the end. Kids will love these and they are a major waste problem.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522834#Comment_121522834

here's the thing though, the flavours have been around for years. But that's long before disposables were around. And back then it'd cost a minimum of 40 euros to get set up. It was a hobbyist thing more than anything else. Then they started making it cheap and accessible.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522694#Comment_121522694

I'd always assumed it was 18. And when I was in Ireland my local vape shop said that they'd only sell to 18 years old.

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522944#Comment_121522944

A responsible shop won't but there was an expolision of vape shops on the back of disposables. Addictive product that lasts barely a day, that you can double your money on. Literally overnight our sales were 40% disposables, I never saw any product take off like that. We don't sell much of them now as adult vapers realised they are a waste of money and we don't sell to kids.

The TPD (Tobacco products directive) was brought in by the EU in 2016, one part was the ban of sales to under 18's, for some absolutely bizarre reason the Irish government did not transpose over that part.

Deebles McBeebles

I really can't see it making much difference in numbers of kids vaping though. Some of you might remember waiting outside the local off licence, hoping for someone to buy you a few cans or a naggin of Russia's finest. Have a look outside your local dodgy vape shop now, queues of them, usually in uniform and people are happy to oblige. Will it be an offence to buy for minors too?

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121523066#Comment_121523066

Of course it will make a difference, there is so many shops selling to any age openly, a couple of visits from mystery shoppers and the shops are shut down.

A proper vape shop takes years to establish, building a repeat customer base, knowing your product. Most of these new shops I see don't sell any kits, have any knowledge, just sells disposables.

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121523112#Comment_121523112

Yes and disposables are what kids buy so you're asking a lot of shop owners to lose money. Call me pessimistic but...

As for mystery shoppers, I hope it's as well enforced as you think, I doubt it though. Even if a shop was to be shut down, they pop up like meerkats, so I can't imagine changing the name of the business and starting again would be very difficult. It's about quick money for some of these folks, they aren't interested in establishing anything.

I can't find anything about it being an offence to buy for a minor so we'll see how far the numbers drop. I hope I'm wrong.

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121523140#Comment_121523140

That is why we have been looking for the bare minimum in regulation. To keep away unscrupulous cash grab retailers.

After the initial introduction to the market adult vapers really don't use disposables, they are as expensive as cigarettes if you smoke 20 a day.

If you don't smoke you shouldn't vape. They are highly addictive the latest generation of nicotine salt products found in disposables.

Recommend anyone watches Big Vape on netflix about the rise and fall of Juul.

jonski

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121523066#Comment_121523066

I live down the road from one vape shop in a local shopping center, and past two other shops on my travels this morning ... no queues outside any of them .

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522176#Comment_121522176

a quick google tells you what you need to know..... ✌️

I assumed nicotine or tobacco were already banned for sale to under 18s.

Disposable vapes need to be outlawed from an environmental perspective. You see these plastic tubes on the ground everywhere. They have a small lithium battery in them; they get used once and then thrown on the ground. The clowns who run this country have their priorities ass-backwards

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121523238#Comment_121523238

They won't be forming an orderly queue outside, they'll be around the corner or nearby. The parents would see them if they just queued outside the shop.

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121523476#Comment_121523476

There is a queue of countries looking to ban them but it's not that simple, it has to go through the EU commission

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121523498#Comment_121523498

It should be very simple for them to act on it, as there is little dissent.

Get it effing done.

dalyboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121523498#Comment_121523498

Hey Rob. I’m curious how the government or governments in other countries are going to justify banning flavours liquids. I would presume (certainly I do) flavours in e-liquids out sell “tobacco” flavoured liquids as the last thing an ex smoker wants to be reminded of is real cigarettes.

If they outright ban ecigs it will send a spotlight on governments that they care not of anyone’s health but only on the taxes they are collecting on real cigarettes (they are in effect giving smokers no avenue away from tobacco products)

That said , it’ll be impossible for them to fully ban. The ecigs I vape are merely a battery with a pod attached to it. They’re easily sourced abroad if they attempt to close down vape stores which will be my course of action if it comes to reality.

RobbieV

Nicotine products including vape should be prescription only and for people quitting smoking. Some sort of tapering down program . Time to get rid of cigarettes altogether and shelf nicotine.

Highly addictive and poisonous, without any benefit.

Huge number of young people who never smoked now addicted to nicotine through vaping. Owned by big tobacco.