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Old T.V shows that flopped when thet were first released that might do good today?

  • 20-12-2023 10:35pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,829 ✭✭✭✭
    Ms


    One I have been watching recently is Stargate Universe. A lot of crap in it but I think if it was made today with just 10 or 12 episodes all that crap and filler would be left out and it woukd be a much better show now.

    I never liked it at the time that it was very dull but think its not really so bad now once you skip by the stones exchange bits which was a truly terrible idea.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Sliders.

    Didnt massively flop but i think there would be an appetite for that type of show today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I would not in any way have said Stargate SG1 flopped with 10 seasons and two movies and two spin offs that had another 7 seasons between them.

    Having one of it's spin off end after two season was more down money not ratings if I remember right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,829 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I never said that Stargate SG1 flopped but Stargate Universe did.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,829 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I have an idea in my head for a show like that but the more I thought about it the more I thought people will just think that its sliders again just slightly different and it would just be a flop.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Was always surprised the TV show Brotherhood didn't get a bigger audience when first released in the early 2000's. Excellent cast and a great storyline - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_(American_TV_series) .Think a show like this would do much better if released now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,188 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Space Above and Beyond.

    Was a bit ahead of its time as "gritty" sci-fi and certainly tried to do CGI too early.

    That and Sliders (people love the multiverse now) are perfect for a reboot which is something I am usually against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,007 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭FlicFlak


    Terra Nova would have done really well today.

    Dinosaurs 80 million years in the past, the CGI needed then was cost prohibitive but would be good now, excellent cast aswell!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,170 ✭✭✭Tow


    Earth 2

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭Radio5


    Eldorado. British ex-pats in Spain, they'd probably have a few issues to talk about which didn't exist in 1992/3.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Stacked. I thought it was hilarious, but probably a bit ahead of it's time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    The Time Tunnel



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭Xterminator


    firefly. was cancelled with some episodes not even shown, i think.

    but it did great later with dvd sales etc, and eventually a feature movie to wrap the story up.

    i



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭squonk


    American Gothic, a show from the mid 90s about a family being menaced by a sheriff in a small town who had killed the younger boy’s sister. Great cast. Gary Cole, Sarah Paulson. Never really got the backing of its network let alone ratings which didn’t help as the network showed the episodes out of order in the first place. Loads of questions, who or whst is the sheriff? What happened the boy’s parents? I think it’d be a msssive show on Amazon or Netflix these days. Sort of in the vein of American Horror Story.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Police Surgeon. Great possibilities now with medicine and crime.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Firefly has to be at the top of the list; badly mismanaged by Fox at the time and would easily hold up today as well with potential for rotating cast as needed as people get left behind / die / join the crew etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 wytek


    Manimal

    Automan

    Salvage 1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Ghost Squad. Abour a special police unit to tackle unusual cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭screamer


    Anerican gothic had such potential but the us audiences found it too dark and it was cancelled.

    another vote for space above and beyond also, id love a reboot



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    Dark skies but Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) didn't fare too badly from being in it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    Eerie Indiana was another show that didn't get it's deserved full run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭Tork


    Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip with Matthew Perry and Bradley Whitford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,658 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Dollhouse, I thought was pretty good, and had plenty of mileage left in it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,829 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I agree with both of these. Was looking at the Space Above and Beyond DVD in Tower Records recently. Very tempted to buy it but did not in the end. Might reco sider that. I might buy it yet as it was brilliant if I can not stream it anywhere.


    Sliders was brilliant too. Loved it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,829 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    What was Dark Skies about? Sure I seen it but do not remember it. Did it get about 3 or 4 seasons and end kind of abruptly. Was that the show with the android in it like Data?

    If it was then yes it was a great show and deserved to last longer.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Bedlam

    An indie horror show financed by Sky about 10 years ago. It was originally due to be 3 seasons long but cancelled at the end of Season 2 (leaving it on a huge cliffhanger 😡). The story at the time was that funding couldn't be agreed for the 3rd season so it just fizzled out of existence.

    Horror shows are back in style right now though so I think it would do well, it had pretty good production values for a low budget show.

    It was set in an old asylum that had been converted to an apartment block and followed the 'ghost of the week' format.

    The owner of the place was actor Hugo Speer and he's in disgrace right now for alleged nude antics on the Full Monty TV show set so he probably wouldn't be invited back!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Live

    Loved it. Have it on dvd and download. Someone's at the door......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Life (with Damian Lewis). Great series might work now..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭ofthelord




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Reminds me of another show around then, Milennium starring Lance Henriksen.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I don't remember anything about that anymore except that it had Damian Lewis and I really enjoyed it. I must give it a rewatch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,367 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I could be wrong here but didnt Startrek flop when it first came out in the late 60s and was cancelled after a couple of years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,548 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    It was a show that tried cashing in on the X Files popularity. Set in the 60s about aliens being among us and involved in multiple conspiracies, including the JFK assassination, if I remember correctly. Only lasted 1 season I think.

    Not sure if alien/conspiracy shows are popular these days?

    I know they got to wrap up, but I would like to see more shows like Warehouse 13 and Eureka.

    As others have mentioned, there are shows that suffered due to being ~22 ep seasons that would've worked better being shorter.

    I think 7 Days could be a good thriller and could make it lighthearted as well. Maybe an 8 episode season with the first episode being the event ending with traveling back then 1 episode for each day, even though I know the original series was mission of the week.

    I would say Cupid but it already had a second attempt in 2009.

    I wouldn't mind Bryan Fuller trying again with his quirky shows like Dead Like Me (we won't talk about the film) and Pushing Daisies. They could appeal to modern audiences for their easy viewing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    "Boss" was excellent (Kelsey Grammer playing against type and Kathleen Robertson... Holy jaysus 😍) but was it really a flop? and would it do any better 10 years later. No & maybe.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Most of the shows mentioned were not flops, they just ran out of steam but most got a few seasons. This said, this is a rewind of some great shows. Sliders, SGU, Utopia. On the basis of that I am going to have a look at the other shows on the thread. This said, they wouldn't do better now, it is just luck whether a show lasts on streaming services now as some absolute muck keeps getting refreshed as a lot of people don't want to think anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Great show. I think it might have inspired the mentalist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    sorry for late reply: dark skies was sort of like the X files but centered around aliens taking human form, parasitic aliens referred to as Ganglions secreting themselves in the skull of their hosts. There was also the classic 'grey' type alien involved as well. Yeah 3 or 4 seasons then cancelled. Nope no androids in dark skies as far as I can remember. Another poster mentioned 'space above and beyond' there were sort of androids or replicants in that show referred to as 'tanks' genetically enhanced clones. Might have been another android type replicant in the show about the super sub with Roy Screider, forget it's name. Dom DeLuises (American comedy actor) son played the clone/androidy thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,955 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Seaquest DSV is the Roy Scheider series, another one that didn't do as well as might be expected.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    Thanks thats the show, star trek under water wouldn't really sell it to me as a TV executive plus the crappy CGI, all video toaster workstations the same as Babylon 5 and the stories weren't that good. A Crotechedy captain hot doctor and a boy genius who was best friends with a dolphin that could communicate electrotonically and always ending with a snarf snarf moment (thundercats?) plus flipper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,188 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That show had loads of BTS problems mostly due to the producers and network panicking.

    When season 1 didn't go as well as expected they went full dumb sci-fi tropes in season 2 and when they dropped the science and ecological themes for a more military one Schneider went nuts which is why he is barely in season 3. Constantly changing the crew lineup as well.

    Good premise but not enough ocean stories for the old 24 episode non arc 90s formula.

    The guy playing "the Wesley Crusher type" was tipped to be a big teen heartthrob actor but sadly killed himself in his 20s when the career failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,430 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Garth merengi was cancelled for low viewers and now selling out multiple nights live with a massive following




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,527 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Nah, that show flopped because it was a steaming pile of poo with terrible scripts and acting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Another vote for Space: Above and Beyond. It did okay numbers in the ratings but was massively expensive to produce at the time which resulted in it getting killed off. Would love to see it rebooted!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭Evade


    S:AaB really could benefit from a reboot. The premise was good, if a little weird having pilots also be an infantry squad. But a reboot could change that by expanding the cast a little. There could even be some tension if both West brothers were in the main cast. The might consider scraping of a little of the cheese too "Angry Angels" goes too far even by military moto standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,188 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That "cheese" was kinda a thing of its time. I would imagine a sci-fi now would be played much more serious.

    Had some good world building and plenty to explore with things like the "tank" people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,201 ✭✭✭amacca


    Am I the only one that really liked sliders at the time it was released



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭Evade


    I liked it up until most of the original cast left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭Evade


    I watched mist of it again over Covid and the extremes of cheese and the ropey CGI aside it held up ok



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