Ballymore Sea Gardens - Bray

sparky1243

Hi Everyone,

We are looking into this development and are wondering if anyone has had the opportunity to view the offered properties for their first phase. Has anyone decided to go for one, and if so how has the buying process gone so far?

Thanks!

Annasopra

Prices are madness.

Location seems good.

General layout of estate seems good

Local Cllr Joe Behan opposing badly needed bus corridors on Castle Street - ridiculous and may make this location very difficult traffic wise

rowantree18

Supposedly (per website) over 1000 new homes in this development. My issues would be as follows:

Huge pressure on the Dart and buses.

Huge pressure on schools - if relevant to you.

Minimum of 100 social homes - if this is an issue for you, generally people are interested in the exact number of social houses in a development.

I'd do a lot of research before buying.

murpho999

Seriously don't think that a new development should be complained about because it will pity Dart and Buses under huge pressure?

Also, comment about social housing is pure snobbery. It's more social housing that is required to ease housing crisis not less.

amy1457

hi, has anyone bought a property here? Any idea if they have given anyone a snagging date yet?

GG2023

hi Amy, we’ve just secured a house here, we’ve been told end Aug for finish, are you this phase?

amy1457

hi, i think we are the first phase - the houses are completed and we are waiting for snagging. We were told end march - but it’s been delayed. We are not getting a clear response from the real estate agents.

clarkj123

Same here @amy1457. We may be looking at another 4/5 week wait but no definitive timeline.

amy1457

thanks! I wonder what’s causing the delays - they said today its because of ESB.
However, when i spoke to them during the launch(few weeks back), they said it was all sorted.

harshi16

Hello, we have secured a house in Sea gardens as well in the 2nd phase. And wanted to check if you have received the contracts and what sort of timeline the agents have given you.

Also is there any Facebook group or any WhatsApp group created for the house owners?

clarkj123

Possibly "sorted" in terms of ESB being on site working away which I know they were at that point.

amy1457

hi harshi, we are in the first phase and contracts were issued fairly quickly.
I haven’t come across any fb or whatsapp group.

sparky1243

We also secured a home in the first phase. We were also told that ESB was holding back the timeline, so interested to see how much longe this takes.

For those who have signed contracts and interested in joining a facebook group, please message me directly and I will send you a link to join the new group.

amy1457

hi, has anyone heard back on the snagging? I think some houses have started the process?

sparky1243

Nope - Nothing for us yet…. Savills said 2-3 weeks, a week ago.

inigo

Hi all. I recently made initial contact with the estate agent. Can I ask about timelines and deposits to those with contracts?

I have been asked for an initial deposit, which I am told is refundable.

They will then issue contracts. How long did it take?

A 10% deposit will then have to be paid within 21 days of contracts being issued. Is the initial deposit included in this 10% and is it refundable? Are they strict with this deadline?

When will the balance have to be paid? Upon completion/handing of keys?

Thanks in advance

timtimtimo

Hello,

Has anyone heard back on the snagging?

mandy2212

hi,

we too are interested in purchasing however have been told it’s all sold. Would you happen to have any other information?

mandy2212

hi Harshi,

Would the second phase be released?

SharkMX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121865533#Comment_121865533

Its going to have a lot worse of an effect on commuters getting on it Du Laoighre and further on. Those trains are jammed in the mornings as it is. Imagine thousands more people already on the train when it gets there.

mandy2212

@sparky1243 would you happen to have possession of your property yet? We are looking at investing.. any feedback would be highly welcomed 🙏🏼

mandy2212

@amy1457 hi, we are looking at investing as well.. would you have received possession of your home? Any feedback would be highly appreciated 🙏🏼

amy1457

hi @mandy2212

We are currently in the snagging phase. Was a very smooth process overall. The builds adhered to the initial designs provided and maintained high standard in terms of quality. Snag report didn’t highlight anything major only small cosmetic issues.
not sure about the second phase, but they had a launch couple of weeks back and might have sold the remaining ones. Worth trying with both savills and DMP.
hope this helps!

beachhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058323131/ballymore-sea-gardens-bray

Be careful you don't buy a house that is on the flood plain.Flood alleviation or not-done several years ago.

beachhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384783#Comment_121384783

There is a southbound bus lane on Castle Street already.There is no room for "bus corridors" unless there is a compulsory purchase order made on the Castle Street Shopping Centre to widen Castle Street.Bray is already a nightmare for traffic,this estate will make it a lot worse.On my visits in the afternoon it is pure hassle.Do not caught out by schools opening and closing times around the town.

amy1457

For anyone concerned about insurance or the historical flood in bray, here’s a map to show all the work that has been done. This is official OPW data. The area where Seagardens is built is not considered an area of historical flood. Also considering the work that has been done, it wouldn’t be a problem. There are many other high value properties around Dublin shown in the map which would be at high risk of flood risk. however, this is not one of them.
https://www.floodinfo.ie/map-review/?s=areas-under-review

browne_rob5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394230#Comment_122394230

CPO's were issued last August.

https://www.pleanala.ie/publicaccess/Submissions/317742/ABP-317742-23%20-%20Submission%20-%20Musgrave%20Limited.pdf?r=320745

rowantree18

Regarding comments about pressure on schools, transport and social housing:

If a large number of house go into an asarea and the supporting infrastructure is absent ot not planned then there will be pressure on schools. Huge amount of new housing went into Greystones and now predictably there's huge pressure on schools. Ditto transport.

As to social housing, if it's not an issue for people then - no issue. Based on frequent questions on boards and other forums, it would appear that people are interested in knowing how much social housing is going to be in the place where they're making a 500k plus investment. If some want to call it snobbery then fine. Most people want to know the exact amount as it can end up at more than the mandatory 10% when housing agencies also decide to buy. Snobbery or not, a lot of people are hesitant to pay 500k plus to live in 30-40% social housing. It doesn't automatically mean trouble no more than no social housing automatically meaning no trouble. But most people like to know. For those who don't care - no issue.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394230#Comment_122394230

That's Part of the plan - take out some of the castle street car park as well as parking in front of four star pizza

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394218#Comment_122394218

This is utter nonsense. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390569#Comment_122390569

Eh not really. The DART and Luas have seen a drop off at peak commuting times.

Regardless, the expansion of the DART system is going to significantly increase capacity. And once they stop Rosslare trains at Wicklow or Bray, even more so.

browne_rob5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122428480#Comment_122428480

Yeah I get the Dart fairly infrequently these days as mainly wfh but never noticed it being jammed. The one that leaves Bray just before 8 is busy but no issue with getting on all along the line and it empties out along the way as the school kids get off.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122428508#Comment_122428508

It’s just the same old nonsense from locals who don’t want change. Snarky messages posted about flood plains by people who don’t have a clue. I’ve seen it as well with regards to Woodbrook.

The reality is that the Bray- Shankill corridor is getting a lot of housing of all typologies and demographics which is going to bring a lot of money to the area. There is significant excess capacity there for development on the coast specifically where this is happening- largely due to the fact that two golf courses, a cemetery and a public park have dominated the land.

Honestly I suspect the same people will be moaning if and when the Luas is extended to Bray.

There is more of a point with Greystones. More so because the single line trains and frequency is a major challenge. And coastal erosion is a real and pending concern from Bray to Greystones.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122428508#Comment_122428508

I get the DART from Bray most week days. Usually between 7 and 7.30. Never an issue getting a seat in the morning, regardless of time of year. On the way home it's a different story as I'm boarding at Lansdowne Road, I've never had a problem getting on. Getting a seat is another story though but generally ok after Dun Laoighre.

Having lived in London and having to get the tube daily, now that's another ball game altogether.

spillit67

Even in London it is not what it once was. The Northern Line is still pretty bad but that was horrendous beforehand. Worrying about seats is certainly a way to indicate that we aren’t getting as much out of our mass transit system as we should!

Commuter times have stretched out and wfh have decreased. I think the NTA have noted an overall 12% decrease inbound trips. Overall public transport trips are back to 95% of where they were but you have to remember population has increased. People seem to be using transport more now in a multi modal / non car sense that the €2 fare was designed for which is great.

We’ve almost got the effect that people wanted for years

As a weirdo who likes to mix it up between the bus, Luas and DART (and the occasional drive), the changes are notable.

The DART was never as bad as the Luas Green Line (pre and even post capacity upgrades). The one issue would be Wednesday school sports days with kids with bigger bags.

I think the Green Line will come under pressure though again soon enough given Cherrywood. And if and when it goes to Bray, that’ll be tough. Though I suspect a lot of Bray users would he those looking to get to Sandyford.

freddiethefrog

Looks like this discussion has gone off topic. It's about Sea Gardens development, not transport review.

Supernaturalxo

Hi all,

We have been told snagging was the end of August. We have now been told it won't be until the end of September. Has anyone else had a delay? We haven't heard much on what is causing the delay.

Betty08081

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468479#Comment_122468479

Are you in the first phase? We were told end August but haven’t heard any update.

bafled

I bought a 3 bed in the second phase and have been told end of September for snagging, can't see that happening.

Supernaturalxo

We are not actually sure. Do you know what house numbers are in the first or second phase? We are In the row of all 4 beds if that helps. The delays were not communicated to us, we had to reach out to confirm that snagging for end of August was stilling going ahead.Thats when we were told it won't be until the end of September now.

bafled

Are you the the row numbered 57 - 62?

I'm in row 63-73.

elsablake

Visit the store frequently and perhaps even make a few purchases. Get to know the employees and let them know how much you appreciate the products they are currently selling.

Supernaturalxo

Yes, we are in row 57-62. Did they give you more information on snagging?

We have been told snagging mid September now. But there still seems like there is a lot to be done.

bafled

I was over yesterday to have a look and there is a lot still to be done and I would imagine a lot of the workers are on holiday this month too, I would say October-November seems more likely.

Supernaturalxo

We got to see inside the house two weeks ago when the floor company measured. There was still a good bit to do inside the house and none of the backgardens had the boundary walls done. Hopefully they have done more since then. Fingers crossed there is not a huge delay.

fullerman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477478#Comment_122477478

Hey @bafled, looks like I'm in the same row as you. When were you told snagging would be end of September? I only went sale agreed in June and was told Nov/Dec for snagging although I'm still expecting something closer to Jan/Feb.

bafled

The Estate Agent from Dillon Marshall told us end of September about 6 weeks ago, but I think your timescale seems more realistic, what Estate Agent are you buying from?

fullerman

Hmm, that's interesting, I'm going through Savills. Will let you know if I get any further updates through them.

inigo

I'm going through Savills, row 40-56, mid November.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463206#Comment_122463206

Transport is highly relevant to this development and a repeated objection by many to the new apartments that just got permission.

mandy2212

Hi, when did seagardens launch the 2nd phase ? We were told there isn’t a 2nd phase launch yet.