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Advice on Buying my Daughters First Car.

  • 11-10-2023 7:57pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭


    She hasn't passed test yet so for insurance we're keeping the engine size to around a 1.2. She's interested in buying a VW Polo. She sent me a link from Marketplace for a 2012 with + 192000 miles for €6000.

    I've since found slightly older ones that are cheaper but with half that milage like this one on Adverts.

    http://www.adverts.ie/31391941


    Is it better to buy an older car with less mileage or a newer one to save a bit more on insurance?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,085 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I presume that you mean Volkswagen Polo, as in the ad, In my opinion this more suitable than the bigger Golf and likely cheaper to insure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    Sorry, you're correct, I meant VW Polo.

    Would you go for the newer Polo with high mileage or the older one with lower mileage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Depends. Will her insurance company insure a 10 year old plus car on her first policy? If not, that’s your decision made. Resale value on shouldn’t be a consideration on 2012 or older after a few years. I’d be looking at lower mileage and servicing records as a priority over age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    I bet she wants a white one 😂 mine was adamant on one.

    I just picked up a 2014 ford fiesta 1.25 with 40k km on the clock, had a service history and is mint inside and out for not much more than that.

    Much bigger than i remember them back in the day.

    Insurance for learner permit, no driving history from axa for 1400. No trackers or any of that shite, everyone else was 2500 - 3000 so thought that was alright.

    Don't limit to the polo I would say, I looked at tons of them and every one of them had mad mileage for the price, no history, imports or were previous write offs in the UK.

    Once I started looking at other brands life became much easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    Good point, I'll get insurance quotes for both scenarios tomorrow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    😄 yeah, funny that, white seems to be the flavour of the month with young ones and their cars.

    We've looked at Fiestas, Astras and Honda Jazz's but she's fairly adamant on a Polo now. One car dealer had told us that getting parts for some models is difficult so to keep it to Ford's or Opels/Vauxhalls but she won't listen to sense.

    You done well with the Fiesta you found. If you see another similar one, do let me know . . I'm sure she'd be happy out once she's just driving at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Quite an overrated car- they’re not well built, can get rattly and may need regular repairs. They are fairly safe though. If it was me I’d probably be looking to the Japanese makes as you’ll likely get better value. Also the Renault Clio gets good reviews for reliability



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Also €6k private for a high mileage basic car that age seems a lot. Not sure that engine is the greatest ever but people that know more than me can comment.

    Mazda 2 is a great little car and should be cheaper as not many people know about them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,176 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    As mentioned look at Japanese made cars for reliability i.e. the Yaris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Do your research on the polo as some of the petrol engines give a lot of trouble, fiesta or honda jazz probably the best of the smaller cars,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Fiesta are good as if something goes they’re relatively affordable and cheap to repair. Generally fairly reliable just watch for rust on older ones. I think the non eco boost engines are fairly bulletproof older simpler technology



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    That’s what I thought too, the 1.2 3 cyl can give trouble



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,085 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I'd much rather a Fiesta than a Mazda 2, but each to their own. Ford repairs are relatively inexpensive. Check the cost of a regular service with different models and when major work might be needed at what cost. Tell the daughter that you'll only pay the servicing costs of a fiesta and if she would like something different then she can cover the extra.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    From the advert description:

    "Car running, timing chain will need to be fixed at some stage"

    Also the NCT expired last month on it. Seller is a dreamer looking for 5k for that car.


    As other have said, a Fiesta is a good car.

    Here is a tidy looking 2012 with reasonable mileage and nearly 12 months NCT for 5.5k:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ford-fiesta-2012/34973715



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i dont mean to be rude but if shes getting a car bought for her she'd want to listen to sense and be happy with whatever she gets

    and go japanese ideally



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    I see in the add it mentions the timing chain will need repairs, its a known issue with that engine so don't think about buying it, the car is probably worth 1500 to a garage to repair and sell on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I didn’t read that far into the ad. Run



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    I completely missed that bit about the timing chain on the Polo . . Thanks, That Fiesta is exactly the type of car that I had in mind for her, great find👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭User1998


    What about a white Volkswagen Up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭goochy


    the white ones are supposed to be good



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Fallout2022




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,718 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Really good car, but I wouldnt put a novice in one, they are not wonderful in a big accident and a bit skittish in high winds, on motorways etc. If building confidence for a young driver is important here, then the Fiesta/Polo class is the right one to be thinking about.

    The Hyundai i20 and Kia Rio models of the last 10 years are excellent little cars too. Do not overlook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Second the Yaris, daughter's first car, brilliant. Never gave trouble, unless she ran out of fuel.😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Vw up is a good city car and more reliable and more modern than the older polo but for anymore demanding motoring I’d agree with others- you’d prefer Fiesta class supermini rather than city car class



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭goochy


    Yaris for reliability , Fiesta if she wants a small car with a bit of pep



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭mondeoman72


    I bought my 18 year old a 1l corsa. First provisional. AIG with a tracker box 1800 euro. Year 2, 900 euro, year 3 renewal just come in at 900 euro. Once she gets her full licence it will drop more.

    Fantastic car. Bit mundane, but superbly forgiving while learning. Bought in on sight off adverts. 1200 euro. For that price, you cannot go wrong as a starter car. Passed the NCT without issue, not even an advisory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Stephenc66


    Something like this

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/131-ford-ka-very-low-mileage-nct-tax/34998177

    First car here 2011 Ford KA, our young lady started out by getting quotes on insurance for various cars in her price range and went from there. The car has been very reliable, cheap to run on petrol service parts are cheap. She commutes about 50km a day on country roads to Limerick city owned 3 or 4 years now.

    Along with regular servicing we have replaced rear drop links and two rear shocks not mad money but we can fit the parts ourselves.

    Niece has a 2012 VW polo petrol over 300K Km on it now. She does big mileage all over the country. Problems with over heating and the a/c turned out to be a severely corroded and damaged wiring loom that had rubbed on the body. We also replaced the power steering unit at a cost of €500 service, exchange. also replaced a rear wheel bearing and a front brake calliper refurb. But again we are fortunate to be able to do this work ourselves including programming the new power steering unit to the car, so no labour cost.

    Not quite a like for like comparison because of usage but the VW is more expensive on parts and in this case the VW has a harder life. Would the KA have faired as well if my Niece were using it I don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭djan


    How about something a little bigger with longevity of car in mind and its in fashionable white too 😅 low mileage and looks to have some warranty left.

    Hyundai i30 for sale in Co. Dublin for €6,800 on DoneDeal

    Hyundai/Kia are good bang for buck and as a first car going for a VW or Ford is just paying extra for the badge. Insurance should also be lower on an i30 as its not a typically high claiming starter car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭kuro2k


    If I was buying a small car it would be a Yaris



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭Havenowt


    more importantly, Is there room for riding...😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    😄

    Her boyfriends very tall . . What's the smallest car available on the market?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭diarmuid05


    Not sure if your budget would stretch to this but currently selling my wife's car as we had to get 7 seater.

    Lovely little car, small engine, low mileage and long NCT

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-dacia-sandero-stepway-new-2-yr-nct-04-25/34592784



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    That is nice but we couldn't stretch the budget that far unfortunately . . and its not white 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Suzuki swift wasn’t mentioned but they’re very reliable and easy to run



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,176 ✭✭✭✭billyhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭Havenowt


    Those old smart car are fairly small... just do go convertible...😊



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