AI yi yi

Overheal

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-09-18/in-spain-dozens-of-girls-are-reporting-ai-generated-nude-photos-of-them-being-circulated-at-school-my-heart-skipped-a-beat.html

AI is only going to become a bigger issue going forward, not just for short cutting homework or spoofing politicians. Now officials in Spain report fake nudes of schoolchildren entering circulation and created by AI. Is there any way of actually stopping this?

Cordell

Yeah, using AI to detect AI generated photos.

nolivesmatter

I'm so sick of hearing about AI, it's not even truly AI ffs. But yeah, the day it starts creating child porn is the day to box it up and **** it right off.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058314635/ai-yi-yi

To answer your question, no, there is no way of stopping this. The technology is out there now and will be abused. What's real and fake is almost indistinguishable.

I'm no expert in Irish law but maybe someone who has a better grasp might explain if this is illegal here. Sharing or threatening to share intimate images is an offence, but does the law cover generated artificial images that bare a likeness rather than photographs

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134045#Comment_121134045

Yeah it’s not the singularity but this is what it’s been called. And this is a few days after the day it started creating child/underage porn.

MegamanBoo

It's sickening in general what big-tech gets away with. And what we let it get away with.

In generations to come I think people will look at what children are exposed to online these days, and compare it to slavery, workhouses etc as an uncivilised horror.

All because we're so ideologically opposed to regulation.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134606#Comment_121134606

Alexandra Hunt springs to mind. An OnlyFans performer in Congress, a millenial. In terms of internet regulation we have today, she grew up as a kid in the wild west (we all kinda did)

MegamanBoo

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/13/adults-are-terrified-of-talking-to-us-about-it-10-things-i-learned-from-children-about-pornography

I know it's perhaps not the most scientific of research, but scary as f**k

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134045#Comment_121134045

There's no such thing as child porn, it's child abuse. Porn implies consent.

It is AI - AI is a very broad term which includes technologies used to generate pictures.

Depiction of sexual activities were found in the caves, and pretty much every form of imagery invented since then was also uses for this purpose, so it was just a matter of time.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058314635/ai-yi-yi

Maybe if we put AI on the blockchain, we could stop it.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134745#Comment_121134745

There's a world of difference between sexual activity imagery and child abuse imagery.

Child abuse imagery hasn't been shared, or shared this widely, with every new broadcast tech. It must be stopped.

We need to regulate big tech.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134606#Comment_121134606

No, actually gen X (people now in their 40s) is the first generation that was exposed to unregulated online content. We had sites like 4chan and ogrish, with a totally different kind of garbage than what's on tiktok and OF. I have seen things that were not supposed to be seen, things like goatse, blue waffle and two girls one cup (don't search if you value your sanity).

As for regulation, you can regulate what it happening in your own house, you can have parental controls on your router, you can control which sites are permitted and which aren't. But what else do you want them to do? That kind of content is not widely available, it's only available using technologies that cannot be regulated, technologies that were created to avoid regulation.

Donald Trump

If it becomes simple to generate realistic nudes etc. through AI then that will help any person who had actual photos leaked.

In the future, any such leak will be able to be written off as an AI created fake.

For example, I hear that the Russians are currently using AI to generate a video of some hookers in a hotel in Moscow demonstrating an unusual way of washing with the bigliest president ever. All AI generated.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134804#Comment_121134804

That only seeks or works to normalize the problem I fear.

And an infinitesimally irrelevant comfort to these schoolgirls, IMHO.

Cordell

Unfortunately nothing will comfort them except for having the ones responsible found and punished. But this is not an AI problem, AI just made it easier, before having these AI tools you could do the same in Photoshop but it required effort and skill.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134826#Comment_121134826

Well now it takes no skill and you can turn it into a full video. Effort for reward is reduced to nearly nothing.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134786#Comment_121134786

I'm in that age group.

I saw that stuff, but not as a child.

What's happening now is very different. Very young children exposed to pornography, not because their parents didn't set parental controls properly, but because older kids have smartphones etc. The tech is widely available outside the home.

It can be regulated and must be.

Depending how far you wish to go, it might not be possible to stop all peadophile activity online.

But widespread child exposure to pornography can be stopped, online bullying of children can be stopped, AI generated child abuse images can be stopped.

It's a harmful myth that 'this is just how the internet works'

TheValeyard

Cannot be successfully regulated. So called AI will do the Web, education and social media like what Napster did to the music industry.

There is no way to put this genie in the bottle, like the way WormGPT may replace Blackhat, etc.

Only defence possible is education through schools or force multinationals to regulate content, but even then, the Internet is a wide open sea at times.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134879#Comment_121134879

but because older kids have smartphones

They had magazines in my time. And VHS tapes. Nothing has really changed, we the parents need to be responsible, not anyone else.

It's a harmful myth that 'this is just how the internet works'

Unfortunately it is. Regulation will always be one step behind. Pirates Bay is still alive, inspite of them spending millions to get it blocked.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134902#Comment_121134902

You're quite clearly comparing apples to oranges.

Older kids looking at dirty magazines behind the bike shed is a world away from one in three six year olds being exposed to pornography, as per the shared article.

Attempts to shut down file sharing have failed but they've been limited to those which won't be disruptive to the wider internet.

It is possible to stop the harm being done to children but doing so would involve state-level control of networks.

The price is an internet that's bland as f**k but I'm willing to pay it.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121135101#Comment_121135101

You can't just blame the internet. These things were happening even before every student had access to a mobile phone.

I remember back about 10 years ago there was a bit of a scandal locally when a load of 6th year girls were found to be sharing and swapping printed photographs which were - for want of a better phrase - dick pics - which had been posted to them.

The principal was going mad over it and actually called me into the office to discuss the issue. I eventually agreed to stop sending them after she explained that she'd have to move me to teach a different class if I persisted.

*joke

Cordell

Did it look big in your tiny hands?

Pa ElGrande

The solution is to introduce social media education as part of the secondary school curriculum. There curriculum would have the following:

A technical overview (not in depth) of how network connections are formed, secure connections and certificates. Most people will trade on the internet, they should be able to spot scam domains and learn not to use insecure sites (certificate invalid or expired). Lesson needs to be taken way you are not anonymous on the internet, the connection can be traced to the location or device you used. Even people using VPNs can be traced it costs more money and requires more ingenuity.

How common internet fraud schemes work and how to avoid them. You need to educate Granny and Grandad.

Why your privacy matters?

How social media companies prey on you to keep you engaged and soaks your time, their business model is advertising and selling information they have gathered about you. Did you really think those apps were free, did you actually read the EULA?

How to put down the phone and switch off, the techniques and practices involved. Pay attention to what you are doing, you do not have to respond when the phone beeps and you need to keep your eyes on the road when you learn to drive and pay attention to your surroundings when walking on the street, while you are staring at the phone screen you can be walking in front of traffic or someone come up behind you and snatches your phone.

Bad behaviour on the internet and the consequences for victims and perpetrators and why someone will always be wrong on the internet (even Wikipedia and ChatGPT). Think before you hit return or send.

How pornography affects you and your future relationships and why it is best avoided.

Think about future employment, employers can lookup your social media history, profile you and see if you have been a muppet. You won't get called to the job interview.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121136774#Comment_121136774

What's that going to do for primary school kids?

If the article shared is correct, and a lot of six year olds are being exposed to porn, are we going to start teaching about it in Junior or Senior infants?

I'd vote for a state controlled internet. Not for because of any authoritarian or puritanical motivations, simply as a public health measure.

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134045#Comment_121134045

Big tech has done as little as they can about child abuse images (i hate the word porn associated with kids it's child sexual abuse) for years. If anyone thinks they'll do any different here then they are living in the clouds.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138085#Comment_121138085

Parental responsibility lacking. Practically all parents I know, don't let their kids use smartphones unsupervised until they go to secondary school. Ban smartphones for primary school kids, end of story, they don't need them. Once they go to secondary, peer pressure will dictate they will use them and they ought to have a little more cop on by 12 years old.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138254#Comment_121138254

I think banning smartphones in primary schools would be useful but I don't think it's enough.

Also I'm all for parental responsibility but that's not going to get us there.

From the above article it seems to be predominantly older kids giving younger kids their phones that's exposing them to porn. If kids have older siblings are they always supervised around them? My kids are all young but I'm guessing not.

Secondly a large number of parents won't be responsible like this. I've one-third of six year olds were taking fentanyl it's a major public health problem, regardless of whether my kids are or not.

On that, I'm seeing reports of increases in sexual assaults amongst teenagers and in college which is being linked to their exposure to porn during their formative years. Even if you can protect your kids from direct exposure they'll still be going out into that world at a young age.

I'm all for adults having freedom to do whatever they please as individuals, but when there's a knock on effect, especially to children, I think we have to act. And really what does an unregulated internet bring to society?