Dispatches channel 4 expose **Read Opening Post before posting**

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142525#Comment_121142525

I think it actually looks better.

It kinda proves that they are all doing the same thing for the same reason and not because they ACTUALLY support him.

I'd be more concerned if it was ONLY Tate or ONLY Alex Jones that was defending me.

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142513#Comment_121142513

But..If that is what happened, what else was he to say?

You are jumping to the conclusion that he wasn't being honest.

(Please don't take that as meaning that I believe him, but I am not completely ruling it out)

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142574#Comment_121142574

I'd be concerned if Alex Jones did anything even remotely linked to me!

Its clear as day that these other loons are just doing it for their own advertising and to try and fill the space the Brands exile will create.

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142610#Comment_121142610

I'd actually be interested in having a pint with him. I'd say it would be fascinating in a very very very very odd way

I even find myself enjoying some of his content despite my better knowledge

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142610#Comment_121142610

They are circling the wagons around one of their own. Grifters of a feather..

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142617#Comment_121142617

That could be the case, but Brand was a different type of "commentator" than the others.

He at least attempted to give the illusion that his allegiance was neither to the left or right wing.

The people you accuse of circling their wagons to protect him, are only harming his defense and they have to know it.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142518#Comment_121142518

Not dodging the question at all. Of course I wouldn't be happy about being accused publicly, but I also wouldn't be happy to be accused of it privately. It's not the publicity of it that I would take issue with.

Even if the accuser went to the police instead, guess what, it pretty much becomes public, at least to people who I have a connection with.

My bigger concern would be why is there an accusation against me at all and how do I defend myself against it. Public or private doesn't change that, not saying I wouldn't prefer it done privately, but just that at that stage my concern would be proving my innocence regardless. The same defence I would use to defend myself publicly is the same defence I would use to defend myself in the justice system.

Though of course, that's all contingent on them being false accusations. If I was definitely guilty and I knew I was guilty, I'd want to handle it all as privately as humanly possible.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121141941#Comment_121141941

Even if true, that wouldn't be a conspiracy theory would it, at least not according to any definition I've read. No 'conspiracy' needed, just Brand gravitating away from the 'asking awkward questions' mainstream, seeing how cancel culture \ metoo played out.

A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a conspiracy by powerful and sinister groups, often political in motivation.

Where as claiming that Brand is being targeted by multiple media organisations (i.e. groups) because of his politics, meets the definition.

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142715#Comment_121142715

The pedantry is strong.

Ok, Russell Brand conspired with other right wing commentators, who are rallying around him now and organisations such as Rumble which are continuing to support him. to change the tone of his content in order to be able to claim "conspiracy" when stories of his misbehaviour came to light?

That's the gist of what people are saying

Is that ok for you?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142602#Comment_121142602

There's absolutely no reason to think that is the reality. A woman didn't go to a rape crisis clinic over a decade ago in an effort to stitch him up for his views. Same applies to the texts and emails. On top of that, there's no evidence of Dispatches pursuing politically motivated stitchups...

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142773#Comment_121142773

Sure. It's more likely to be untrue.

But as I said, I am not completely ruling it out.

K-9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142790#Comment_121142790

Same as Brand may have got in with the conspiracy crowd, if he knew his comeuppance was coming.

Probably not, but I'm not ruling it out.

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142852#Comment_121142852

exactly. I am not being close minded about any of it.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142741#Comment_121142741

Sure the last refuge of someone caught out using a false definition of a word / concept is to cite pedantry... thats not the definition of a CT and its disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Not all theories require a conspiracy.

No conspiracy or conspiring in secret by Brand with others. Just that Brand gravitated to circles where such allegations of misconduct is overlooked / excused / or default defended as he is one of 'our guys'.

No conspiracy with anyone else. This is standard public operating procedure in those circles not just for Brand.

Brand did gravitate to these circles. The above is a plausible theory (not conspiracy theory) to explain why.

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142912#Comment_121142912

Ok.

I'm so sorry for using the wrong word. I misused the phrase.

I don't think I was trying to mislead anyone and I think the VAST amount of people who saw it, knew exactly what I meant.

I will be very sure to use the dictionary definition of every word so as not to be "caught" by your eagle eye.

Would it be ok to call it a mere unprovable supposition?

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142696#Comment_121142696

Clearly no one wants to be falsely accused of anything, but Id much rather a private false accusation over a public one. Are you saying that you don't care either way and don't see a difference?

It seems that you are unwilling to acknowledge any lasting impact from a public accusation over a private/police one?

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142986#Comment_121142986

I'm not saying I don't care either way, I'm saying I would care more about dealing with the accusation itself rather than whether it's public or private. Of course there's a difference, and that difference is obviously multiplied for a person who is actually in the public eye. But just because it goes through the justice system, doesn't mean it won't still go public. Just because someone is accused publicly, doesn't mean they won't also have to go trhough the justice system.

The accusations and whether or not they're true is the issue. It being done privately or publicly are not mutually exclusive things as the end result can be both, and how both are dealt with (disputing the accusations, proving your innocence etc) are pretty much the same in both instances.

In Brand's case, if it's taken that what at least some of the women are saying is true, then in many cases he leveraged his fame and public image both to facilitate his "promiscuous lifestyle" and as a shield against allegations.

Regardless, your post which I responded to was:

"Are you happy for all of your wrongdoings to be made public, especially those from say 20 years ago?"

And as I stated, the majority of us have no such wrongdoings that would lead to this sort of situation. If "all my wrongdoings" included the sort of stuff Brand is being accused of (including as mentioned, dating a 16 year old when I was 31 and coaching her on how to lie to her parents so I'm not found out), of course I wouldn't be happy for that to be made public, but what I would or wouldn't be happy with is irrelevant in that situation.

madeiracake

They chose to go public and not to the police. The victims made public what happened to them, because whether or not it was a crime, depending on jurisdiction etc, etc. Brand's behaviour was wrong. If someone did something wrong to you are you only allowed to tell the police, the person who wronged you or could you tell other people?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121141941#Comment_121141941

Or he is a Russian Agent.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121143221#Comment_121143221

Going public is not about confiding in your friends or family- this is nuclear destruct button worldwide, automatically translated into any language you care to choose, global.

Most people who are visited by such horrible experiences don’t actually want to go “public” and are also quite reluctant to speak to anyone, close family or otherwise.

But even in this case, it’s the stories that have gone public, not the alleged victims - Brand has been named as the alleged perpetrator, but to all intense and purpose, only the stories have been released- so it’s wrong to say “they” have gone public- it’s the programme that has released stories and named the alleged perpetrator - the alleged victims names have been withheld- they’re not public.

moonage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142303#Comment_121142303

"The women who have come forward about Brand have, at the very least, some forms of tangible evidence."

I see very little tangible evidence against Brand. Most of it is just the women's accounts of what happened in private and can't be substantiated.

The exception is Nadia's text message exchange with Brand and her visit to a rape centre. As I've posted before though, it could be interpreted that her concern was lack of condom use rather than rape. Her primary reason for going to the centre might have been to get the morning after pill and antibiotics. I don't know. Only if it goes to trial will we get a fuller picture of what actually happened.

Apart from Nadia's, what other tangible evidence is there for sexual assault or rape?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121142225#Comment_121142225

Ridiculous. He has it made, without earning another dime or winning over another fan.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121143678#Comment_121143678

And let's just clarify, this is based on a YouTube video. There's a rape crisis file on the woman btw so it wasn't some std test as alluded to. We've also got contemporary therapy records where the rape was referred to.

And if there's absolutely no evidence as you're claiming, he'll easily win a civil case against channel 4. Weirdly not taking one.

moonage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121143715#Comment_121143715

We don't know what the rape centre file says (why was nearly all of it redacted?), or what the therapy notes say or whether there were other text messages in the exchange.

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121143430#Comment_121143430

tHaTs NoT a CunSpriSy TheOIry

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121143712#Comment_121143712

So if he is never found guilty of a crime but labelled as a vile sex offender losing family and friends, it's ok because he has money.

What a strange interpretation of "having it made".

But yeah, you do you. At least we know what you consider important.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121143838#Comment_121143838

Lol these are the risks of fame and celebrity. Don’t screw around with 16 year olds, this 1 simple trick everyone wants you to know upfront.

If he’s really put out by staggering loss of fortune he has defamation laws for that

K-9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121143715#Comment_121143715

I'd take a YT video over The Times and Dispatches Lamestream media anyday.

Overheal

You can also just judge for yourself his overt content and decide if you want to support this character or not:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31iOFVuMwEg

Jesus.

"It's be very nice to meet you one day, Mr. Jimmy Saville"

"Well if you got a sister, you could meet me by bringer her along [crosstalk] I don't usually meet fellas but if you've got a sister that's OK"

"I've got a personal assistant called Marsha, and part of her job description is, that anyone i demand she greet, meet, massages, she has to do it, she's very attractive Jimmy."

"Well, that's -- a good start [crosstalk] you can send her along to do some research."

"Would you like her to wear anything in particular Jimmy?"

"I'd like her to wear nothing."

etc.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121143994#Comment_121143994

I was gonna say that I'd love to see the weird claims if Watergate happened in present day but it basically has. 😂