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Mary Robinson lambasts Fossil Fuel Industry

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  • 07-09-2023 6:32pm
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    Former president Mary Robinson has taken a swipe at the fossil fuel industry for operating “on the dark side” in the midst of the climate crisis.

    Mrs Robinson was also critical of governments for failing to take the hard decisions needed to break free from fossil fuel dependence.

    “Climate shocks are everywhere with intensifying floods, intensifying forest fires, intensifying drought, and the whole world is aware that something’s happened, that something’s changed,” she said.

    “And yet we’re not yet in crisis mode with solutions in mind.” She was speaking in a video address to a conference in Dublin to mark the 50th anniversary of Irish aid and development agency, Trócaire.

    She said the climate and biodiversity crises were now so serious that there was an urgent need for leadership and solutions but she said there was a “communications challenge”.

    “The fossil fuel lobby spends about $4 billion every year communicating on the dark side - messing up the science, pretending it’s not real or denying it, muddying it, and then trying to prolong fossil fuel indefinitely into the future instead of phasing it out as quickly as possible,” she said.

    “And frankly democracies are not coping well with the crisis because it’s difficult in a democracy to take hard decisions when you want to be re-elected. Unfortunately we’re not taking hard decisions quickly enough. For example here in Ireland we’re not on course to cut our greenhouse gas emissions by 50pc by 2030 or 55pc as it is likely to be under new EU rules.”




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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭Trampas


    And Mary doesn’t get a private jet or chauffeur driven cars while the bus will do etc etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 383 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    Wasn’t she in Dubai recently supporting some form of the regime there? 🤔



  • Registered Users Posts: 783 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien




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    I mean, she's not wrong



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Another wan making a very very nice living from the climate crisis. Wonder how she came up with the idea of “climate justice”….



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    She's not wrong at all. But people will still attack her because of xyz...

    Any person of power in the world, of whatever scale, needs to be on side with this challenge.

    Charges of hypocrisy, even though sometimes valid, are of no consequence eventually.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    And are you a user of their products? You bet you are. We all are.

    If we stopped using their products they would be out of business.

    And that won't happen. I'm really not sure why people keep moaning about the situation while they continue to add to it.

    This juggernaut won't be stopped. There's really no point trying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭fits


    There absolutely is a point. We have the technology we just lack the will.


    she is absolutely spot on the mark. Those companies will be worse regarded than the tobacco companies in time



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    This is "no point of trying" part of climate denialism then?

    It's a systemic and industrial level change that is required (yup, I can't see that happening any time soon either). Pleading for individuals to change is not effective policy (although it does find a marketing niche).

    I'm not exactly optimistic about this :/



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,487 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I voted for Mary R back when she was running for president and happy to do so.

    Since then and in relation to this matter, she's one massive hypocrite - jetting here, there & everywhere. She lectures us on our responsibilities from the lofty heights of penthouses and the comforts of first class travel. The late Peter Sutherland is another such that comes to mind.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭fits


    This argument is ridiculous there is literally no one on earth that is perfect when it comes to carbon emissions. Even If she was close to it people would berate her for farting or something.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Not a great OP. It's just pasted text from an article.

    Robinson is right though. We're damaging the environment and it's going to lead to humanitarian catastrophe.

    We've spent decades building our supply chains to this point. Radically changing that will take a lot of time, investment and will. I understand your point and agree with Robinson but what's being asked for, and needed, is complete societal restructuring.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Not only is she not close to it, she is absolutely taking the piss with all the jetting around. Her credibility is shot because due to her actions there is no evidence she believes what she is saying. It just comes across as a big ego trip.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    The technologies that we do have, are not currently scalable enough for the challenge. The political will is not there either of course; who will vote for the politicians to bring in the required measures?

    In time... well, that's the very thing that is not on our side. The initiative should have started decades ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Maybe but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. A solid effort now could be the difference between catastrophe and annihilation. The technologies will scale quickly enough too. Look how much has changed in last decade alone



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Another rich entitled hypocrite. These people are sick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭omerin


    Ruck Fobinson. The rucker who rucks off as president for a cushy UN role, despicable turd



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    “The fossil fuel lobby spends about $4 billion every year communicating on the dark side - messing up the science, pretending it’s not real or denying it, muddying it, and then trying to prolong fossil fuel indefinitely into the future instead of phasing it out as quickly as possible”

    And she's right. People are buying right in to it. This thread actually proving it by showing her being lambasted by folk who are probably not involved in the fossil fuel industry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭donaghs


    So is she actually proposing anything concrete? Anyone can hold up their hands and say “something must be done!”. Any real ideas on how to reduce emissions etc? Presumably the quickest way to get there would be to ramp up carbon taxes, force farmers to reduce herds, etc. but no details from her.

    the closest thing I can see to a proposal from her would be to control the flow of information, so that only “correct” information is allowed to circulate. I.e. so the fossil fuel industry don’t get to muddy to waters. But then who’s next?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    She's making a valid point. There's lots of money being spent on misinformation & messing up the science to protect their profits regardless of the results for the planet. She has a platform & she's using it. Good for her.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 51,644 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    She's a typical 'green' type though. It is easy to preach from the pulpit of morality when you're well shod and you won't suffer from what you preach. People who are struggling can't afford EV's to get to work, she can and she ate from the trough for years. Why doesn't she travel to Brazil and thake on their Government with regard to the destruction of the rainforests? or China and chastise the government there? No just like Eamon she wants to punish the little man, the easy target.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,872 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And I believe the real dollar amount is vastly underestimated and underreported, and done with shell companies and other sockpuppet vehicles.



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    she wants to punish the little man, the easy target.

    The oil industry is the little man?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,862 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Robinson….

    Actively sought and was elected to the highest ranking constitutional position in this sovereign state by the people of Ireland.

    then gave the people of Ireland the middle finger and fûcked off before her first term as President was completed. She has subsequently acknowledged this was wrong but does she take the blame ? No she full on blames Kofi Annan …..🥱 why as president was she even talking to Kofi Annan, why was he not referred to our Taoiseach ? See this was ALL in order to take up a higher paying position with the UN….which she did before her presidency ended.

    so, when it comes to anything coming out of that one’s mouth… I’m just not listening. She has fûck all credibility.

    she has probably more air miles then the entire membership of boards.ie put together…

    In fact for decades she has traveled by air obviously to Africa and other continents …. So she has sat on aircraft burning maybe even over a million tonnes of Jet A1 ( a fossil fuel ).. in her lifetime, looking for photo opportunities, kissing / feeding babies, shaking hands with families…etc…

    According to her… “Climate change is a man-made problem that requires a feminist solution”…. Really ? That’s interesting ! Did feminists solve other global issues ? Have they a track record in trouble shooting ? A very inclusive outlook ! Send a load of feminists to the Middle East, to Russia…..see how that works out.. A grifter and a disingenuous spoofer… is the diplomatic description of her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,525 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    The fossil fuel lobby looking to prolong use of fossil fuels. The shame of it. Perhaps they should lobby for solar panels instead. What else does she expect they'll do.

    She's on another one of her hobby horses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    She's one of s long line of these sick creatures. Gates, Di Caprio, Gore etc... Multi millionaires who use private jets and boats whilst preaching down to the little guy shilling for higher taxes. There is a special place in hell for them hopefully...



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,136 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    So a person used a jet and therefore they can't be telling the truth.

    You can dislike her all you want but she's not wrong when she says that we're not doing enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,729 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Does anyone outside of that pontificating set really care what Robinson says/thinks?

    As others have said above, not only is she a hypocrite, it's easy to lecture/punish those who can't do much about it rather than those who are actually responsible - I'm sure our "Green" party were paying rapt attention though!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,406 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Just another shoot the messenger climate change thread.

    And we still have no opinion from the OP.



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