Does anybody has a hybrid or electric in the countryside?

UnhappyCustomer

And how are you getting on?

I’m thinking of a hybrid to go commute to Dublin. About an hour of commuting without motorways but national and country roads (braking and below 80 with traffic)

does anybody have experience with this?

Redfox25

Do you have a driveway at home?

If you do, then 160km commute to Dublin would likely be better served in an EV than a hybrid.

Whats your budget and car preference and folks can make suggestions on cars with sufficient range and body type for you.

UnhappyCustomer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066762#Comment_121066762

I do have a driveway. Not fully sold on the EVs living in the countryside. We are **** filling up the car and it is not the first time we got the fright we would run out of fuel before getting to the garage.

budget: around 20 grand

car preference: just a bit visually appealing. Not a fan of the ioniq

AmpMan

What differnce does it make being in the countryside?

fits

Absolutely ideal use case for a full ev. Ours has saved us thousands in fuel. You could get a Kona possible for that money.

I drive an Id.3 with the bigger battery. It does a 260 km return journey easily.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066824#Comment_121066824

It makes it much easier than living in a townhouse in the suburbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066819#Comment_121066819

Full EV sounds like the best option. You can say goodbye to the garage, so no more anxiety about driving somewhere to get fuel. Once you switch your view that the driveway is the filling station you know you're sorted with an EV.

For 20k budget you're looking at cars with about 200 km daily range potential with home charging only. For another 5-10k on top of that you can can get 300 km of range.

Redfox25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066819#Comment_121066819

Just on the charging bit, takes about 2 mins to get out of car, retrieve cable and insert it into car. Then walk away. Car will be charged the next morning (assuming you can set the charger and car to come on at a set time if you are on day night electric).

Very simple.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066910#Comment_121066910

You are doing it wrong :-) It only takes 10 seconds with a fixed cable as you don't need to retrieve the cable.

Redfox25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066929#Comment_121066929

I was taking worst case

😉

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066819#Comment_121066819

There's ID.3s asking a bit over €20k, you could probably argue them down closer to your budget

Regarding remembering to charge, if you have a home charger then you don't have to go anywhere, just set a reminder on your phone for around 8pm every day and pop out to plug in the car (assuming you forgot when you got home)

An EV will likely save several thousand per year versus the equivalent hybrid or diesel

September1

@UnhappyCustomer BEV would work for you best, you start every day with fueled vehicle. If you have emergency in the middle of night, then charge points are open 24/7 which cannot be said about garages in remote areas.

whippet

I live in the countryside and have PHEV and BEV.

I've used public charging on less than 10 occasions in 2.5 years of BEV ownership and approx 45,000km of driving. My commute is a round trip of 135km on mix of national, region road and motorways.

The PHEV is there as it is a lovely car and the wife isn't quite ready to go all in with BEV just yet. During the week about 90% of the driving in the PHEV is done on battery.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066819#Comment_121066819

Are you on about the original Ioniq. How can you not like that? It us still a great looking car both inside and outside. Of course you could always look at the Nissan Leaf and Renault Zoe too do that might be a bit small for you. Not that many electric cars out there second hand yet yet for under 20k. Not that much choice.

afatbollix

I put 150 miles of charge in my ID3 last night for £1.83 using a night rate.

I'd never get a petrol again.

RainInSummer

Running an ev for 8 years in the sticks. No issues.

sligopaul

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2019-hyundai-kona-ev-electric-64-kwh/34930188

NIMAN

I have an Ev and a hybrid, and live in the countryside.

We manage just fine.

Hybrid has enough range to take me to work with a fair bit to spare, where I can charge for free before return journey. It will take OH to work and back with some to spare.

Charging with one charge point also isn't an issue, as its rare both would need charged on the same night.

ELM327

Have 3 EVs in the countryside and been driving EV since 2016. I used to do 60k a year, down to about 45k now. Theres no matching EVs for high mile and rural use.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121070739#Comment_121070739

That needs to go into the EV bargains thread!

Long range EV for under €20k. Perfect for the OP.

UnhappyCustomer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066871#Comment_121066871

I would just get away with the commute, hopefully I wouldn't need to do anything else in town...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067015#Comment_121067015

Wouldn't be more expensive to plug in every day than putting fuel every now and then?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067036#Comment_121067036

I just have one house, there are more garages around for sure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067218#Comment_121067218

So I'd say PHEV then is a fair choice? What cars are these?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121069757#Comment_121069757

miles? pounds? 😵‍💫

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121070614#Comment_121070614

Which one?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121070798#Comment_121070798

What range do they have? what cars are those? do you do work and back or would you do anything else in town?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121071794#Comment_121071794

what cars do you have?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121080862#Comment_121080862

There was a lot of quotes there so I'll just respond to what you asked me which is whether you'd be worse off plugging in every evening

First off, you might only be plugging in every second day depending on usage

Second, no it won't cost you more

Watch the consumption, not the price of a single charge/fueling

EV like an ID.3 should achieve 16kWh/100km year round, there's more efficient EVs out there but I'll stick with my example

160km per day 5 days a week is approximately 40,000km per year or 6,400kWh of electricity

Using the cheapest EV tariff from Pinergy of 6.92c/kWh that's an annual cost of €442.88

Taking a hybrid and assuming 4l/100km (which is ambitious) and a fuel price of €1.75/l you're looking at 1,600l of fuel costing €2,800 per year

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121080862#Comment_121080862

Unsure how to edit quotes on this god awful new site but I'll just respond to the question directed at me.

We have a 222 Tesla model 3, a 232 Ora funky cat and a 2011 nissan leaf 24kwh. Each has its purpose, we recently took the tesla to France on holiday, the Ora is for herself and the leaf is my local car I bought as a joke but it does all the local driving and is good for my stepson to learn to drive locally in.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081011#Comment_121081011

Cheapest rate from Pinergy is only 5c incl VAT and you get €100 welcome bonus. So based on your sums it wouldn't cost €442.88 to charge the car for the whole year, but only €220 😀

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081215#Comment_121081215

It's 6.92c on the website, is the 5c after the price cut?

Also the price of petrol will probably be going up again from October, so the situation leans even more favourably to an EV

the_amazing_raisin

It is worth saying that the likes of the Pinergy plan are pretty awful outside of the EV charging times

They work well if you have a home battery and solar, but I'm guessing the OP doesn't

So it's very important to do your homework on tariffs

Now, in theory if you're saving €2k in petrol then you as long as your electricity bill goes up by less than that, it's a saving

kanuseeme

5 cent?

thats great

going going gone,

I ignored the op as I was hoping some one could explain an hours drive and traffic, it could mean 100 km or 20km, I have a plug in hybrid, I could give you a cost per trip, but I would need to know the distance, and is it possible to charge in work?

fits

It’s probably a fairer comparison to use other current 24 hour or smart rates than that pinergy one. My night rate is now 17 cents after the coming price drop. That’s available for 8 hours.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081359#Comment_121081359

True, but even if you triple the costs from what I calculated, it's still half the price of petrol

Mr Q

If I was buying currently for 20k I think an ID.3 would be a good option. All the original batch will be 3 years old around now and a lot will be back with dealers after PCP.

I purchased one of the 1st editions and I think if I was selling it today I wouldn't expect more than 20k.

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081359#Comment_121081359

That’s available for 8 hours

Hopefully 9 hours..🙂

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081303#Comment_121081303

Community deal, hidden but it is on their website alright. Follow this thread here for all the details. I've signed up for it myself 3 days ago, just a couple of minutes after my new smart meter was fitted

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058235650/switching-electric-gas-providers-see-first-post-for-links

For me with large solar PV and battery, it means I expect a zero electric bill for the next 2 years. Including driving 2 EVs

fits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081530#Comment_121081530

My bad! 😀 9 valuable hours

UnhappyCustomer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081339#Comment_121081339

It is not possible to charge at work. distance around 140 - 160 km roundtrip

UnhappyCustomer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081515#Comment_121081515

What about an e-golf or any of the hyundais?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081682#Comment_121081682

The E Golf should handle the range and could be gotten for a lot less

The original Ioniq could probably handle it too

They've lower purchase prices, but the flip side is lower range as well, you'll have to decide for yourself whether it's worth the trade off

unkel

I wouldn't buy an eGolf if I had to drive 160km in winter. Ioniq will just about do the trick, would have to take it handy on the worst / coldest days. 40kWh Leafs have come down a lot in price too since the start of the year.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081738#Comment_121081738

Would the E Golf not manage it? I guess it'd be pretty close in winter

I guess I should apply my standard logic and always have enough juice left to make an emergency trip to the nearest hospital

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081761#Comment_121081761

eGolf and Ioniq have very similar EPA / WLTP range, but the eGolf is far less aerodynamic than the Ioniq, so it has much lower range at national road / motorway speeds

That's why a 28kWh Ioniq and a 40kWh Leaf have a similar 120km/h range, despite the Leaf having a much longer EPA / WLTP range

eGolf is a very nice EV though, if you don't need more space. Far nicer place to be in than Ioniq or Leaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081761#Comment_121081761

I would call an ambulance for anything urgent, most likely will save you a trip to the hospital as many/most sudden ailments can be patched on your drive without need to head to the A&E for example. For everything else there is the neighbours if you really happen to be that low on juice

UnhappyCustomer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081738#Comment_121081738

What do winter have to do with all of this? and what battery would you recommend to do that trip? 65kwh kona?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081824#Comment_121081824

Yeah true, I'm thinking about the few times the kids have had a fever and we've had to take them to the hospital because it was in the evening and out of hours doctor was busy

There's unfortunately a bunch of non urgent cases where you can end up getting sent to A&E (often unnecessarily, but that's the doctors playing it safe)

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081853#Comment_121081853

EVs have less range in winter than in summer. Batteries are optimal at about 21C.

And yes if you can stretch the budget to €18-19k, then a Kona 64kWh is a good option, loads and loads of range in that one.

fits

I don’t think either the egolf or original ioniq would do 160 km each way though. They’d need the big battery ID.3 or similar? Maybe I’m reading op wrong. Edit yes, yes I am. Lots of cars would do that easily.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081861#Comment_121081861

If the EV is the only car in the house it may not suit all rural dwellers.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081940#Comment_121081940

True, I'm only trying to answer the question for the OP as best I can, they didn't say whether there'd be another car available

On the flip side, if there's another car available then you can scratch my argument about hospital trips

fits

The hospital trips thing wouldn’t even bother me and we are super rural. There is rarely less than 100 km range in the car. Nearest hospital is 30km away and lots of charging nearby.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081967#Comment_121081967

EV is a great second car option for rural dwellers.

Plenty of space for installing charger and maybe even solar.

fits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121082294#Comment_121082294

Yeah you’ll buy it as second car and it will end up being the first.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121082315#Comment_121082315

Very likely.

You will be able to use the EV to it's full potential while having the back up for emergencies.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121082294#Comment_121082294

I think there's a fair number of folks on this forum who live in rural areas and the EV is generally their main driver

But I absolutely agree there's a lot of potential there for powering the car (and house 😁) from solar