Peter McVerry Trust has 'financial issues'.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993094#Comment_120993094

And huge amounts of mental health, disability care etc charities also doing the HSEs work.

The funding going to these gets thrown in to the "NGO" bucket in the over-simplistic reporting that makes up most Irish media; which feeds conspiracy theory loons thinking that that's all going to foreign aid charities etc.

road_high

The “charity NGO” scam is a runaway train in Ireland- all with taxpayer’s money on board, burned through at a rate of knots with very very questionable “outcomes”. For me, it’s one of the national scandals of our time

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993188#Comment_120993188

All done to keep the figures - and more importantly, the responsibility - on someone else's books.

That court cases that stopped the state blaming the patrons of schools for sexual abuse liability should have been enough to stop this charade dead though. But it wasn't somehow

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988026#Comment_120988026

110k is bugger all for a CEO of a medium sized property development firm, which is what these basically are.

110k would be great for a well qualified person with good experience and knowledge

I don't think you man would have been competing for any C suite role in the real world though based on his CV

You asked who would do it on a voluntary basis? I'd say a few well-off retirees would. It wouldn't be difficult to find one with the same level of credentials as your man apparently has

DownByTheGarden

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120991782#Comment_120991782

A good few years ago my nephew got a job as a chugger for 2 weeks before he was let go for not making his sales.

If I remember correctly he told me he was getting €11 an hour at the time, but he had to make an average of 6 DD sign ups per day each week or he was let go. He made 6 in week opne and 2 in week 2 and was asked to go. He was sick of it at that point anyway. Said he just felt he was conning people out of their money.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120993903#Comment_120993903

He was conning people out of their money. Giving money via a chugger is the worst way to contribute to a charity.

DownByTheGarden

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994577#Comment_120994577

He said that he enjoyed it the first week because he got to chat to good looking tourists, who never signed up, but used to chat to him.

By the second week he noticed that almost all of the actual signups were little old ladies probably on the OAP that he felt he guilted into and his heart just wasnt in it anymore.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994597#Comment_120994597

It is a very accurate portrayal of what happens. Vulnerable people are exploited by chuggers when they are the sort of people that charities should be looking after. It is what makes the whole chugging system so horrible.

sterling

I currently rent in Ashtown. I have been outbid in the past by Peter McVerry for apartments closeby. Both times the price went 20% or more over the asking. Both properties are now problem properties for neighbours. Drugs and alcohol abuse rife and management company are aware but have done nothing. Peter McVerry van will appear occasionally with new furniture or mattresses but will not listen to neighbours concerns.While I commend the charity initiative to help others, I don't think their system is helping too many people. Unfortunately you normally hear about the one success story in the media so these charities can justify their work.

hymenelectra

It's a crying shame that charity within a society is being undermined.

You can't blame people for turning their backs on most of them. But that's precisely the kind of socio economic hole we've been thrust into.

It's not a good thing.

Rubberchikken

I can take the flack so I'll say I never had faith in this outfit or a lot like it.

For a country our size we have way too many charities. Are the regulators really watching every cent they collect or what it's actually spent on?

Could it even be possible to do so. I'm guessing there aren't too many employed in the regulators office.

We had Console the suicide charity a. Ouple of years ago and all the shenanigans involved there

CEO's of these organisations being paid large sums and for what exactly.

And don't givee this C suite nonsense. For a certain type of person working and being paid by these groups is a very cushy number and for some am opportunity to feather their own nest.

L1011

The regulators would not be able to watch every cent they collect nor is it their job. They aren't their auditors.

The charities providing housing services shouldn't exist as councils should be doing that. Charities providing counselling shouldn't exist as the HSE should be doing that. Etc etc for virtually every charity that gets substantial state funding - they're doing something the state is failing to do, either by negligence or deliberately - having a charity provide it provides plausible deniability for failings.

For the current McVerry financial issues, it should be folded in to one of the other housing charities with only regular staff transferred; doubt that'll happen though. Or split between the various councils in the areas its serving.

ELM327

Homeless "charities" have become an industry in themselves. This is not a good thing for anyone.

For Forks Sake

Well well, what do we have here 🙄

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/inspectors-appointed-to-peter-mcverry-trust-to-probe-allegations-of-financial-irregularities/a1567945253.html

PMVT received more than €38m in state funding in 2021, which accounted for most of its €53m in income that year.

One senior figure said the possibility of the charity needing an immediate bailout has already been mentioned.

They can fock right off, not another cent of taxpayers money should be let anywhere near that organisation until it's been forensically examined

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121160540#Comment_121160540

Apart from any irregularities which may or may not be found the numbers listed are staggering in themselves, 53million on over 2000 service users and tenants is circa 250k on each one. That's a scandal in itself.

Questions really need to be asked whether any of these bodies are actually providing a realistic return on the funds they receive, there seems to be no deep dive into their actual results. Everyone seems happy to just accept their word that they are while they clamour for more funding.

For Forks Sake

Next time you hear one of these housing charities whining about the state not doing enough for them..🙄

https://twitter.com/TullMcAdoo/status/1692180787175588118?t=adCfMvq9RP40RcGTnRd8VA&s=19

Henry James

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120994577#Comment_120994577

All those charities are scams. I know someone who has an animal charity and a shop where they sell second hand donations. She loves animals and has a wage caring for them funded by others.Nice job. I wouldn't give any of them a red cent.

I gave to one of the homeless 'charities' until I saw the CEO salary and his badly written patronising sales letters to me.

They sometimes feature ex addicts who say " without charity x I'd be dead." They forget addicts are extremely manipulative and will say anything to get what they want. Especially when prompted by a copywriter. Then they can sometimes get the story in mainstream media. I saw one recently, in the examiner I think.

TinyMuffin

If you want to get rich, start a religion or a charity.

Montage of Feck

We've tried this before, farming out public services to private interests, it ended in scandal. So it will again.

Agent Coulson

No real surprise there

They could do putting inspector to look into the other major homeless charities.

blanch152

I've been critical of McVerry and his charity for quite a long time. Not a bit surprised by this, the regulator was bound to catch up with them sooner or later.

Considering the extremely high consumption of money, I’d love to see a reasonably detailed account of expenses spent on the service users. Eg, was money used to finance any debts?

Jinglejangle69

Called this long ago.

Wouldn’t trust Mcverry one bit, if only people knew what he does with the donated money.

Country is corrupt from top to bottom.

But Da Homeless!!

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121161495#Comment_121161495

All those charities are scams. I know someone who has an animal charity and a shop where they sell second hand donations. She loves animals and has a wage caring for them funded by others.Nice job. I wouldn't give any of them a red cent

How is that a "scam"?

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121162256#Comment_121162256

Do you not know that nobody should ever get paid for doing something they enjoy. And people getting paid for providing a service that other people value is a scam

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121164058#Comment_121164058

What a load of rubbish. The waste of money in that charity has been colossal.

Have you forgotten the man who lay dead for a week in a Peter McVerry apartment that was supposed to be checked every day?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121164781#Comment_121164781

This is mad stuff.

I have voted Green for over a decade now. Previously, I voted on various occasions for Fine Gael, Labour, Fianna Fail, Progressive Democrats and independents. There has never been a political party that accurately represented my views.

What my views on "republicanism" have to do with my views on Peter McVerry Trust is strange, all seems to be wrapped up to have a go at me.

I first got interested in Peter McVerry Trust about a decade ago following a chugger keeping my talking for nearly an hour. I didn't sign up, went away, talked to people about it, looked up the finances etc., and I did not like what I saw. Huge money spent to raise not much more. Huge money wasted on publicity campaigns to boost the McVerry name, overpaid staff and executives, duplication of work of other charities leading to problems etc. I have posted on this for a long time, so not new to this.

Let us see what comes out of this investigation. I am not a whistleblower or anything like that, but I wanted this and other similar charities investigated years ago. At the very least, I am correct about that, and along you come to shoot the messenger.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121164980#Comment_121164980

What has any of that to do with Peter McVerry?

Cal4567

Anyone with any knowledge of the AHB sector will have noticed the significant increase and national profile of this organisation in recent years. Both the existing CEO and McVerry himself have made references to the group just trying to do too much in this period.

Peter McVerry Trust is now a very large social enterprise. My reading of it is that in their efforts to meet the needs of clients and service users across the country, they lost the run of themselves. Both they and the regulator should have dealt with this 2-3 years ago.

An example of both poor internal governance as well as external regulation. Yes, one solution could be to move away from some of their substantial activity but that would need another AHB/s to be able to step in.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165196#Comment_121165196

Well, as far as I understand it, this site operates on the basis of evidence not motive.

However, if you are talking about veneers of moral superiority, your posts ooze with it. Pretty much pay zero attention to those like you who attack the poster not the post.