2023 RWC Buildup, Squads, Fixtures 'etc'

bilston

Will be interesting to see if Farrell plays on Saturday and also what sort of reaction he gets especially given the fact his dad is our coach.

ersatz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120983423#Comment_120983423

I'd say Borthwick will be happy that the intensity of England hate is peaking just intimate. The louder the crying the more will be their siege mind. They literally have nothing to lose as the assumption is they are headed for oblivion.

Pete_Cavan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120983493#Comment_120983493

That's all well and good but at some stage they are going to have to play a bit of rugby and Borthwick's team has shown little ability to do that thus far.

Burkie1203

Bizarre line

https://twitter.com/andymcgeady/status/1691571875804004749?t=RaKXxyQYw424bKNOsN3ZYw&s=19

ersatz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120983804#Comment_120983804

I’m not expecting any results but spite can make them hard to beat.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120983868#Comment_120983868

I don't think it is that bizarre. It was a slightly weird way of justifying overruling the bunker official and essentially boils down to "he told us he didn't mean to do it".

Buer

Moala got 5 weeks. Pita Ahki completely jumped the gun in his online post.

https://www.world.rugby/news/832645/independent-disciplinary-update-george-moala-tonga

It was 10 week entry level for a mid-range offence and he was granted the maximum mitigation of 50%.

Completely fair enough. Still ends Moala's chances of playing in a RWC.

sydthebeat

scotland RWC squad:

Forwards

Ewan Ashman (Edinburgh Rugby) 8 caps

Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) 31 caps

Dave Cherry (Edinburgh Rugby) 9 caps

Luke Crosbie (Edinburgh Rugby) 5 caps

Scott Cummings (Glasgow Warriors) 28 caps

Rory Darge (Glasgow Warriors) 10 caps

Jack Dempsey (Glasgow Warriors) 11 caps

Matt Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) 35 caps

Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) 59 caps

Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby) 64 caps

Richie Gray (Glasgow Warriors) 75 caps

WP Nel (Edinburgh Rugby) 55 caps

Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh Rugby) - CAPTAIN - 42 caps

Pierre Schoeman (Edinburgh Rugby) 23 caps

Javan Sebastian (Edinburgh Rugby) 5 caps

Sam Skinner (Edinburgh Rugby) 27 caps

Rory Sutherland (Unattached) 25 caps

George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) 37 caps

Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) 58 caps

Backs

Darcy Graham (Edinburgh Rugby) 35 caps

Chris Harris (Gloucester Rugby) 43 caps

Ben Healy (Edinburgh Rugby) 2 caps

George Horne (Glasgow Warriors) 22 caps

Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors) 38 caps

Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh Rugby) 46 caps

Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) 63 caps

Cameron Redpath (Bath Rugby) 7 caps

Finn Russell (Bath Rugby) 71 caps

Ollie Smith (Glasgow Warriors) 5 caps

Kyle Steyn (Glasgow Warriors) 12 caps

Sione Tuipulotu (Glasgow Warriors) 18 caps

Duhan van der Merwe (Edinburgh Rugby) 30 caps

Ben White (RC Toulon) 15 caps

notable absences: Stuart McNally, Jamie Dobie, Murphy Walker, Josh bayliss

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120984465#Comment_120984465

whats bizarre is two things:

1. they are implicitly saying that "we're not saying the bunker decision was wrong, but the bunker decision was wrong"
2. they are saying the bunker decision was wrong because they dont have the "benefit" of the players legal representation into the decision making process. No referee red card, or TMO review, has ever had the benefit of the players legal representative input, so its a bizarre reference which is only there to buttress their decision, because they know their decision is extremely controversial.

Skyfloater

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120983047#Comment_120983047

The Times of London has an article today where they list TEN high profile dangerous tackles by Farrell. It's not like the guy doesn't have form.

He's practically copyrighted that leading with the shoulder to the opponents head "tackle."

Hurrache

Mike Tindall had Jonathon Davis on his podcast to discuss it and they believe it's bizarre and a reflection of rugby being all over the place when it comes to trying to make it safer.

leakyboots

Fair play to Ben Healy, backed himself to get international rugby and all going well will be playing at a RWC. Dream come true stuff.

Dubinusa

Awful decision! Farrell is a menace and deserved to be banned. Taine Basham should put out a statement! Something along the lines of his suffering and his ability to get back to good health.

Jump_In_Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120985728#Comment_120985728

Looks to be number 2 out-half, so probably number 22 for them, assuming Kinghorn is their starting fullback.

Although, just checked their two-match test series with France they opted for a centre instead of an out-half on the bench for the first match, probably Kinghorn as out-half cover, and in the second match they went with a 6-2 bench. So Healy may not necessarily be second choice out-half, nor make the bench, if they see Kinghorn as the backup.

A2LUE42

The red card decision seems in keeping with the current Australian leniency in relation to incidents like this, as they struggle to complete with Rugby League and Aussie Rules football in the brutality stakes.

TheRona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986823#Comment_120986823

I've been looking for some stats of number of illegal high tackles in Australian rugby, amount of penalties for these offenses, number of citations, number of bans, HIA's etc. I can't find the stats anywhere even though everyone here seems to know all about it.

Anyone care to share?

Mebuntu

Sexton gets three matches for slagging the ref.

Farrell, with more grievious previous than probably anyone else in the game, gets off.

Stinks.

CMcsporty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986823#Comment_120986823

Yes and Yes. This is why World Rugby must appeal.

WR have made provision for these in game decisions with 'The Bunker' for a Foul Play Review Officer (FPRO) + a supporting FPRO. They have been undermined.

When you introduce "judicial" into any sport it lends itself to ambiguity and ultimately confusion.

Brief_Lives

et voila

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1691837173438222458

ionadnapóca

Inevitable

These "Independent Judiciary Panels" need to be abolished.

Unfortunately it wont happen any time soon. Blood sucking lawyers also need to get paid!

Not the last we will hear of Casselden (chair) and Langford either. Both on the 2023 RWC panels.

https://www.irishrugby.ie/2023/06/07/world-rugby-confirms-disciplinary-team-for-rugby-world-cup/

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987172#Comment_120987172

Abolished and replaced with what?

Larbre34

Two hemispheres of Rugby Union and never the twain shall meet.

Its a wonder they play with the same shape ****ing ball.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987124#Comment_120987124

Kinsella the only one saying this so far from what I can see.

He's usually reasonably accurate and not one given to sensationalism but need to see it from a few more sources before I'll start to believe it's going to happen.

I mean , I absolutely hope he's right but no one else is talking about it yet.

ionadnapóca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987194#Comment_120987194

A non-judicial panel.

A World Rugby panel.

fitz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987226#Comment_120987226

Get rid of reduction in bans for "good conduct" while they're at it too. Good conduct should be expected. Tack on extras for bad conduct instead.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987242#Comment_120987242

Agree completely - "Good behaviour at the hearing" should be the minimum acceptable standard not something to be rewarded.

TheNeckofChat

Definition of a bag of sh!te process. World Rugby is appealing a decision that was made in effect by World Rugby.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987277#Comment_120987277

It wasn't made, in effect, by world rugby. Its an independent judiciary panel - it is no different, in effect, then the CPS in the UK of the DPP in Ireland appealing a sentence/verdict.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987226#Comment_120987226

They appear to be quite keen to put the whole thing on a legal footing, presumably to avoid legal appeals (which I suspect would not be a quick time coming from certain teams, including Ireland).

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987242#Comment_120987242

plus get rid of the generic "50% off for first offense" as the reduction completely dependent on the severity of the incident

ie a 12 week entry point would equal a 6 game reduction, whereas a 4 week entry point equates to a 2 week reduction. why should the more egregious incident benefit from the bigger reduction.