Speeding ticket query

Dual wheels

I was tipping along a duel carriageway and out of nowhere an unmarked came up behind me with the lights on then he over took me and the car in front of me and signalled the 2 of us to pull over, I genuinely have no idea what speed I was doing as I was keeping behind the car in front of me but the guard said I was doing 128 he never identified himself but he was in uniform he checked my details and said I will get a fine in the post, I thought it unusual that he pulled the 2 of us and am wondering could he have accurate speed for both cars? Is there any loophole I can use to get out of this?

bennyx_o

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058308201/speeding-ticket-query

I believe the newer Garda cars have ANPR cameras which can detect speed so that could be how they caught you. (I've probably explained this arseways tbh) but, you did say "I genuinely have no idea what speed I was doing" so how do you know you weren't speeding?

hoodie6029

Get a solicitor and if they think you’ve a good case, challenge it in Court. That’s about the long and the short of it.

Jim_Hodge

So; you're looking for a loophole and not a genuine defence. That you've no idea what speed you were doing says it all really. He can easily measure the speed of the two cars as you said you were tipping along keeping behind the other car. Accuracy isn't paramount when you were clearly over the limit

Dual wheels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944168#Comment_120944168

I possibly could have been speeding but I can’t understand how the cop could have accurate speed for both vehicles and what evidence he would have, essentially I want to find a way out of this fine

Dual wheels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944245#Comment_120944245

But surely the guard has to prove that, he can hardly say he clocked the first car and the second car was behind so I presume it was speeding

Dual wheels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944203#Comment_120944203

is there any particular solicitor that is good at this type of thing?

Widdensushi

Johnie Cochran has a good reputation...

pat_sconce

From Carzone.ie

Many marked and unmarked Garda vehicles are fitted with Puma detection equipment, which, as well as being able to detect how fast a vehicle is going, is also - thanks to ANPR - able to tell if a vehicle is taxed or insured. The system works by using two cameras mounted at the front and rear of the Garda vehicle that, combined, can record the speeds of other vehicles on the road and scan number plates of both moving and stationary cars. Unlike speed camera vans, which cannot detect speeding drivers while moving, the fitment of Puma equipment means that Garda cars, in many cases, can.

I do believe they can detect multiple cars, so probably has you. If you get a ticket with the exact speed the chances are they have the speed recorded.

mickdw

If you say he came out of nowhere, you have no idea where he read your speed. He could have been parked on a slip road and took reading off each car then set off to flag you down. It quite common.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944479#Comment_120944479

He didn't see where the Garda came from, he had no idea what speed he was doing and he was speeding. But it's all immaterial as he just wants somebody to say the Garda couldn't have clocked them both as speeding.

furiousox

Speedometers arent accurate, (mine runs 7kph above my actual speed) so if he got you at 128, your speedo was probably reading around135kph.

You can't really feel hard done by I'm afraid.

hoodie6029

When straightforward drink driving cases have gotten to the Court of Appeal on a technicality (machine in station wasn’t bi-lingual) and a few times in the last 20 years Judges have found speeding tickets unsafe for minor issues , people are quick to think ‘is there a way I can get out if this?’

HazeDoll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944260#Comment_120944260

Pay the fine.

Slow down.

Start hoping there aren't many more drivers out there like you.

ratracer

If anything, I’d say the driver of the first car might have an excuse that the guard couldn’t stop/ record two, but as you were the second car, it’s you that he would have recorded!

blade1

I'd be surprised if he gave a ticket for been 8 over in a 120.

Unless you were acting the bollocks with him.

Or was it in a 100 limit?

randomname2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945149#Comment_120945149

OP said dual carriageway and most of them would be 100kmh max. I think only motorway can be 120 and even then not all.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945156#Comment_120945156

Dual carriageway can be 120 and op didn't say what the limit was. That's way I asked.

raspberrypi67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944520#Comment_120944520

They are pretty accurate. Tipping along, well a bit of physics can work out he was more less going at the same speed as the other one.duh.

Sorry ,you were cought ... just pay the ticket

mikeecho

Laser guns takes a fraction of a second to take a reading, then point at the car alongside, and beep, another reading for that car .

furiousox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945228#Comment_120945228

They're actually not, "duh".

Next time you're driving, compare your speed on google maps to your speedometer reading.

https://www.startrescue.co.uk/breakdown-cover/motoring-advice/safety-and-security/how-accurate-is-my-speedometer#:~:text=The%20regulation%20states%20that%20speedometers,never%20read%20less%20than%2040mph.

bazz26

Speedometers are calibrated for slight overestimation of actual speed by design to give some benefit to the driver. I think it's an EU regulation.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945228#Comment_120945228

No they aren’t. Particularly at high speeds. Compare your speedometer to a GPS app like Waze or Google Maps and you’ll see the difference

Sir Galahad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120946621#Comment_120946621

Exactly. The current generation of laser can clock you .75 of a Km away.

_ptashek_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944520#Comment_120944520

Your speedometer is broken then, or you have non-factory size tires fitted. Speedometers, from factory, on original tires typically show HIGHER speed than actual by up to 10%. Easy to compare with a GPS app, which is more accurate than any old mechanical, or even a modern ABS sensor based speedometer (+/- 0.2 km/h).

Whocare

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944260#Comment_120944260

it obvious what happened you on the dual carriageway Garda was park on the on ramp of the dual carriageway he was gunning for speed two of you passed he gunned both of you and pulled both car over ie killing both birds with same stone

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947136#Comment_120947136

Is that not what that poster meant?

Although I check all my speedos and have yet to find one that was more than 4kph over doing 120.

I fitted a hall sensor to a motorbike before when the speed sensor went on it and it matched a GPS exactly.

Probably most accurate Speedo ever 😁

furiousox

Yes, that is my point!

Speedos give a reading approx 10% below actual speed.

randomname2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945158#Comment_120945158

I stand corrected. I haven't come across or don't remember coming across a non motorway section of road with 120 limit. Might need to get this section of the Garda site updated.

100kph National primary routes

120kph Motorways

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944340#Comment_120944340

If two cars are moving along at the same speed. And one of them is doing 130. Then it's pretty much a given that the other is also speeding.

You were caught speeding.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120945158#Comment_120945158

What dual carraigeway is 120km/h? I'd have said that was only motorways.

I think strictly speaking the N1 is 120 at the border, but that's essentially a motorway.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948154#Comment_120948154

Welll you'd be wrong to say it then 🤪

Don't you believe me?

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948154#Comment_120948154

Sections of high quality dual carriageway e.g. N40/N22 from Curraheen to Lakewood and N25 from Little Island (current roadworks excepted) to Carrigtwohill East are also 120kmh.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948116#Comment_120948116

N1 dual carriageway is 120. It is a dual carriageway. "Essentially a motorway" doesn't change that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948154#Comment_120948154

You'll be very surprised to learn that some motorways even have 100km/h limits

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948218#Comment_120948218

I'd even go as far as to say it's not even essentially a motorway.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948238#Comment_120948238

That's the point. It's not a motorway and the OP's "essentially" is rubbish.

pat_sconce

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947004#Comment_120947004

1.2 km.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948303#Comment_120948303

It was meant to be a joke 🙈

Wildly Boaring

Anyone not aware of their speed wouldn't be aware of a guard on a slip road.

If he's doing you from the car, then the car in front might have a case, might

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948156#Comment_120948156

Would be a bit strange if I didn't believe you, given I literally gave an example of one. 😂

I simply asked which roads you were referring to. Hardly unreasonable. I didn't

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948218#Comment_120948218

Was referring to the fact that the N1 was constructed/upgraded to motorway specification for it's entire length. But there's obviously some reason that the last section is still N1. I assumed it was do with the border, but might not be.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948225#Comment_120948225

I'd be surprised if that surprised anyone 😉. Given 100km/h is the speed limit of the most used motorway in the country. Sure sometimes it's 60km/h

Calahonda52

If a fly is flying inside a moving train, not touching it, does it have to only fly upwards/downwards or also move forward to not hit the back of the wagon?

or similar

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/51yqdx/if_a_fly_is_flying_inside_a_moving_train_not/?rdt=36600

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948338#Comment_120948338

Nothing you say would be strange to me when you say stuff like this " I literally gave an example of one" after you said this "What dual carraigeway is 120km/h? I'd have said that was only motorways".

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948338#Comment_120948338

The N1 is the N1 because it is NOT motorway spec. The number and design of the slip roads alone bar it from Motorway status. The border has nothing to do with it.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948385#Comment_120948385

There nothing strange about those statements.

I gave you an example. Pretty off to do spur that.

The N1 was the only one I was aware of. So I asked what roads you were referring to. As it implied there was multiple.

The only strange part is that you started waffling about not believing rather simply answering.

whomitconcerns

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whomitconcerns

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947351#Comment_120947351

Well that's definitely not correct. If your Speedo is reporting less than your actual speed, you need to get your car checked out as you have the wrong tyres or something more serious up

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058308201/speeding-ticket-query

No he most definitely did not

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944203#Comment_120944203

No need for a solicitor because this didn’t happen , police do not over take and then somehow “signal” two cars to pull in

SteM

OT but I've always wondered, when people say Waze and Google Maps are more accurate is that always true? Don't different phones have different GPS sensors? Some are more accurate than others, so 2 phones in the same car both running Waze might return different speeds.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120948396#Comment_120948396

My mistake. What is the issue with the slip roads?

I can't say I ever paid them particular attention. I thought they was the elevated type, but I've only ever drove straight past. I think there only one exit the N1 section going north, and it connects onto a UK road type. As in you exit the country as well as the road at that exit