AI Artificial Intelligence

jonnreeks

Hi,

Not sure if this has been discussed in a current thread.

AI is developing so fast with many powered technologies such as voice and language processing including online computer vision, the process of image and audio recognition which will change the way we interact with all forms of media. AI technology is able to process and analyze vast amounts of data much faster then before, making it easier to find and access the information we need.

Whats anyone's take on the future of AI and what affect it may have on your/our future?

😲

AI needs to be highly regulated, as with any fast developing industry.

But all the apocalyptic talk of AI potentially becoming so powerful that it could threaten civilisation is fearmongering nonsense.

The immediate threat is the truth , it’s been hard enough to keep on top of lies and truth til now

ancapailldorcha

I think it's going to be a social, political and industrial revolution all rolled into one to be honest. We're at risk of creating a vast, growing demographic of "useless" people who won't be able to find work due to so much being automated. It's a bit early to be fearing the worst but two things are certain: Every aspect of society will change in one regard or another and we're going to have to regulate AI very carefully.

xzanti

The AI voiceover scams on FB are wild. People p1ssing their pants because they think JLO wants to give them a free face cream sample.

osarusan

If it's not already the case, soon there will be nothing in terms of audio and even visual output that can't be faked.

The importance of teaching people to be critically literate and especially, critically digitally literate, is immense.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862206#Comment_120862206

I think it's too late for that. Social media firms have curated millions of bespoke echo chambers and this will continue until something disastrous happens. There's just an ocean of content nowadays and AI's only going to generate more so there'll be even less time to scrutinize things.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862206#Comment_120862206

Here's the British financial advisor Martin Lewis commenting on a deepfake video of him praising some Bitcoin scam or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV3cD9oYij4

Hard to see how at least some people wouldn't be taken in by stuff like this.

nachouser

Just needs Lewis to post on twitter that it's not him in either of the two videos.

titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861657#Comment_120861657

I dunno it's very possible. Already have AI being used in the military, so isn't too off the wall where you get errors and AI does things it shouldn't, and then when we start getting into actual AI instead of what most people see it as now, could get a lot worse

Flinty997

There's literally nothing you can trust anywhere now unless you check it.

It's also harder to find and check information as search engines push what they want you to find, (so they can sell ads) not what you are looking for.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862316#Comment_120862316

Could, but regulation will fast put the brakes on these fantasy outcomes.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862305#Comment_120862305

How absurd. It's not his responsibility to tweet every time someone uses his likeness for a scam.

titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862329#Comment_120862329

Internet has been around for close to 30 years in it's modern form and politicians still haven't caught up. You're naive if you think they will here

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120862305#Comment_120862305

I see...........so everyone checks twitter before or after they watch a video to determine its authenticity......I have to hand it to you, you're a real problem solver, that's watertight!

Good job👍️

nachouser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120863079#Comment_120863079

It was a joke about the possibility of a deep-fake Lewis explaining how its likeness was used to deceive. And the real Lewis posting on twitter that it wasn't him in the clip linked.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861657#Comment_120861657

It already is with people in Ireland working with the EU in developing the regulations.

http://osullivan.ucc.ie/

Stone Deaf 4evr

What annoys me, is that we're in a sort of limbo at the moment, where I cant genuinely tell whether articles have been written by AI or a real person. Part of this is due to (what I perceive as) a decline in writing standards, but it definitely feels like half the stuff that pops up on my phones feed - particularly stuff from sites like gizmodo, destructoid, screenrant, etc has been written by AI.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120863335#Comment_120863335

Most journalist for years have been copying and pasting from the web. You are not really in limbo at all. Chatgpt etc is just a fancy search engine and speeds up the process for these journalist.

Stone Deaf 4evr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120863392#Comment_120863392

its two sides of a coin, in one sense, its similar to someone poring over library books, taking info, and presenting it with their own take on it, but that presentation was identifiable by things like their turn of phrase, pacing, the way they make comparisons, etc.

these days, so much content is vapid muck, thats (in all likelihood) mathematically put together in such a way as to drive clicks and generate engagement, yet the articles themselves all follow similar structures, touch on similar beats, and have meandering paragraphs of mostly irrelevant waffle in the middle, and I cant decide if its just poor journalism or the limitations of AI.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120863218#Comment_120863218

oh I see....funny joke👍️

Zascar

I've been working actively in the field for the last while and fascinated by everything AI for a long time. All I can say is things are going to change radically over the next few years and we are absolutely not prepared. AI Agents and chatbots are already replacing jobs and it's only going to accelerate.

Elon Musk just launched X.ai with a view to try to understand the universe. He thinks AGI superintelligence is about 5-6 years away, so 2029 which lines up with Ray Kurzweil - after the singularity we really have no idea what is going to happen. It may kill us all but I doubt it - but it has the potential to create so much value we can barely imagine. By using AI and robotics to lower production costs by orders of magnitude, we may soon live in a time of complete abundance and have a utopian future. Fingers crossed.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861661#Comment_120861661

I would agree with this though I think initially it won't be deliberate lies but rather lazy generation of unreliable content which will saturate the internet.

Over time biases will build up leading to strange structures and belief systems. A form of artificial digital life.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120863737#Comment_120863737

Honestly if you are interested in AI the worst person to quote is Elon Musk

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120864825#Comment_120864825

The best thing to do to stop the progression of AI is to sell AI companies to Elon Musk and let him run them.

Beta Ray Bill

Sarah Silverman sues Chat GPT for breach of copyright

This is the first serious law suit as far as I can see against Chat GPT. And could open the door to a heap of other legal repercussions. Since things like Chat GPT went live, ISP's and hosting services have noticed that there is huge increase in traffic across the web. And it's being attributed to things like Chat GPT scraping off info from every single web page is has access to.

There is a very good chance Chat GPT or similar has scraped off every bit of personal info it can find about you on the web and it has the ability to correlate is all together.

It 100% needs to be regulated and also limited in what it can do by the ISP's such as Virgin, Vodafone, Sky and Eir and what not.

So for example, any IP attempting access +100 .ie websites in less than a minute should be blocked. (As a VERY rough example)

Zascar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120864825#Comment_120864825

It's not talked about a lot but Tesla have extremely advanced AI via their Dojo supercomputer - and have built their own proprietary chips for use in cars and the Optimus robot. It's just not currently in ChatGPT format but that is what X.ai will bring in time. Wait a year or two and just see what X.ai will be doing vs the competition..

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120867545#Comment_120867545

ChatGPT is just a nice way to advertise, in reality a lot of companies across the World have made huge developments in AI and a lot better than anything ChatGPT has provided.

As we have seen it is potentially a copyright nightmare so most companies just give it access to their own proprietary data and not just out to the rest of web like ChatGPT

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120864825#Comment_120864825

Surely that's just good advice for a whole range of things.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120868081#Comment_120868081

I honestly don't see the attraction in the guy....the Tesla cars are poorly built. The best I seen was a Tesla fanboy waited years for his Model 3 to arrive and the spoiler fell off on his first drive. He made excuses for the shocking build quality. People seem to think a big flatscreen is next gen technology

If Tesla was actually ground breaking they would have AI in the car, integrating something like Alexa into the car. Like I have Alexa in my car just for music but really in this day and age why can't we have it turning heating on/off etc?? banging around on a stupid flatscreen is not my idea of next gen

Run Forest Run

So how soon will AI or AGI cure cancer or develop anti-aging drugs etc?

My point is, are we going to see it do anything tangible within our lifetimes other than just show off and look impressive?

newmember2

Have a look...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk-nQ7HF6k4&ab_channel=TheDiaryOfACEO

Zascar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120868121#Comment_120868121

The Tesla Model Y was the world's best selling car in Q1 this year. Not best selling Electric car, best seller of any car. An electric vehicle. People would have laughed at your 5 years ago if you predicted that.

https://www.motor1.com/news/669135/tesla-model-y-worlds-best-selling-car-q1-2023/

Sure they had some quality issues early on but they don't have decades of production of experience like the others do. In 2018 they were only making 2000 cars a week that's peanuts, but they are now wiping the floor with everyone in many areas. Most car companies are going to be bankrupt in 10 years. They cannot make electric cars profitable and are losing thousands per vehicle. Tesla is making almost $10k and their margins are set to improve. They are only accelerating.

I get he's a polarising figure and he does and says some insanely stupid things but you can't deny what he has done. Revolutionised internet payments with Paypal, Made electric cars cool and more popular than ICE vehicles, brought solar panels and batteries to residential and commercial use, started his own rocket company and made them landing and reusable with more successful landings than anyone else had takeoffs, he's digging tunnels under the ground, making a brain computer interface, founded Opean AI, now building X.ai, soon to crack autonomous driving and is making humanoid robots. Anyone one of these things is an unimaginably difficult achievement and incredible for one person, he's done them all.

But a spoiler fell off so he's meh.

I don't consider myself a fanboy but I have to laugh at people who are critical of him - maybe they just don't really see all the things he's done. I watch his companies closely and for Tesla things are only getting going, just wait for the next few years.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120881260#Comment_120881260

You should consider yourself a fanboy

Zascar

Perhaps, but these are facts, which is how I form my opinions - not just because one guy I know had a bad experience.

Let's see if Tesla and his other companies continue to excel over the next few years, or will it fade out because a few cars had some spoiler issues.

Anyway Back to AI.

Most people have no idea how much things are going to change in the next few years.

If you are not using chat gpt and other ai tools to become familiar with how they can help you, you may be replaced by someone who does.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120881649#Comment_120881649

In fairness, like him or loathe him you can't deny the level of success

Poor build quality and multiple gaffes etc etc may take the shine of things but those things still exist and they are impressive...

I wouldn't want to be next nor near they guy/be under his influence/power/employed by him etc but that doesn't mean you are a fan boy if you acknowledge what he has achieved (even if it was with the kinds of advantages someone like me would or could never have..and some of those advantages were taken by the position he clawed himself into, not given)

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883507#Comment_120883507

I'd say everyone and their uncle will be a "prompt engineer" in no time ....

Where do you think the opportunities lie for people upskilling or thinking of switching roles etc

hymenelectra

In short, it's a terrible idea for humankind.

Even picking this forum of messages going back and forth, it wouldn't be a stretch to see how the likes of it will be populated entirely by ultra convincing "bots".

Very strange to imagine the doubt that would come when trying to converse with what you can't be 100% is another human. I'd even go as far as to say that public, secret trials are being run right now by technology companies to see if their bots can go undetected. Dangerous, in the extreme.

Not difficult to imagine the repercussions.

As a side note, science fiction can give some insight into probable futures. One that comes to mind more often than not now is from the books of Dune by Frank Herbert.

It details how humanity becomes more and more reliant on A.I. to take care of its most basic needs, to the eventual extent that they are like babies that can barely urinate without help.

It's a bit hazy in my mind now, but there are a small group of 12 or so individuals that essentially become rulers of civilisation, living each in giant robotic suits. Then they have a go at each other until there's only one left. And then the A.I overthrown that one person and humanity is enslaved for centuries until the "butlerian jihad" occurs and humanity rises up and takes back control.

The first rule the free humans decree is something like "thou shall never imitate the mind of a man".

Anyway, it's bad news. A quick glance at those behind it will tell you as much.

hymenelectra

A quick, further point of speculation.

Personally I can see me abandoning the use of the Internet at large. It's just a weariness and fatigue of impossible stupidity and corruption and its just getting old. I can't be the only one.

If the mere suspicion that the inhabitants of the Internet are not human occurs, which is in the post, then I could see a similar mass exodus away from it all. Maybe.

That would be interesting!

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883645#Comment_120883645

Not sure how anyone can dump the internet in this day and age. Day to day task require use of the internet. Dumping social media is something a lot of people are doing.

hymenelectra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883674#Comment_120883674

For me, I've never relied on the tools of the Internet. I don't use the likes of Google maps or need a robot to tell me directions.

I'll use the map perhaps to see where I'm going, but I'll just memorise it and go. No effort.

A small example.

Beyond email and attachments and raw informational facts, I'm quite independent of it all. It would just be a case of ignoring all the rest of it in totality. It's not as difficult as it sounds. Not easy, but not difficult.

Social media is a plague. No doubts about it. If it were put to me to eliminate all "opinion" off the Internet, I would. Get back to being human.

That's a big kettle of fish though.

As I said, it'll be very interesting to see the reaction to the Internet being populated with non humans.

hymenelectra

It's a subject that gets you thinking. Here's one last thought on it.

Does "easier" mean "better" or "improvement"?

I'd say most people would be quick to say that of course convenience means something is better. I don't think so though.

Quirky example.

It would certainly be easier if everyone used motorised wheelchairs. Redesign our environments so as everything can be traversed by wheelchairs. Very convenient.

But would that be an improvement in life?

Legs withering away, losing function for the sake of convenience. Eventually becoming totally reliant on wheelchairs?

I'd say this is the bedrock upon which all these technology companies are going to make their play. "It's so convenient and easy".

But it'll come at catastrophic cost.

Examine your conveniences and ask if they are making you a better person, or a reliant person. Decent thought exercise, perhaps.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120883885#Comment_120883885

While I see the point you are making...aren't there just as valid counterpoints?

Who wants to go back to using a washboard, or communicating via telegraph or smoke signals...who wants to go back to being essentially confined to a 20/30 km radius if you don't have a horse because there is no motorised transport...although I do like the romantic notion of having months to travel using old gashioned ways, sailing, walking, camping etc...then there is the Convenience of modern medicine ....there are drawbacks to a lot maybe all advances but on the whole the advantages outweigh the drawbacks and the majority adopt/adapt...leaving those that don't behind...seems to be the way of it.

Convenience is better in a lot of cases, whether we like it or not we are wedded to at least some technological advances....

Zascar

Anyone revolting against this and saying they will use less technology... Good luck! You're going to need it..

Scipri0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120861657#Comment_120861657

I agree somewhat with this but you've got to remember that there's a few big companies like Google and OpenAI(Of which Elon Musk) has a shares/stock there. These are also the same people and corporations calling for regulations because it'll stifle the competition and they'll be able to influence the laws. The AI taking over the worl and threaten civilization is nonsense and i agree there but i feel likes that's being put out there to close it down to only a select few big players.

Also i would like to give a scenario that could happen in the future(Not Terminator!😂) but as the AI gets improved it could be used for nefarious reasons like say you could create a situation like a "Supposed terriorist attack" and all the pictures of the victims could be AI generated and vastly improved from now, and it's used as a pretense to start a war with another country because of people who never existed. The generated people will look so real that we'd not even notice and that's only one area.

crusd

The funny thing is the most effective way to distinguish AI generated fakes from what is real will probably be AI.