Rosslare Drug Seizure

Quitelife

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-men-arrested-as-114m-worth-of-cocaine-found-in-horsebox-at-rosslare-port/a569941245.html

Nice haul by the Authorities yesterday in Rosslare harbour . Whilst many here glorify Drug Taking & Drug dealing its causing huge issues all over the country as Scumm Bags destroy towns, villages & Familys resulting in a wave of suicides in our locality over drug debts .

The funny thing about this for me at least is where all of this will end up?

I'm reading stories where some members of AGS are also involved with

criminal gangs & I'm sure that that covers all ranks.

Will some of this still end up on the street?

Is this just an open way of importing drugs into Ireland directly to the distributers?

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851791#Comment_120851791

I'm going to go with NO unless you can come up with some evidence to the contrary

kippy

It's time to either regulate the market more than it is or cut the heads off those found importing significant quantities such as this.

I agree regarding the damage illegal drugs are doing to every corner of this country and the scumbags that run the show.

Esel

Who took the horse to France? 😀

The Ging and I

I wonder how much the French customs find. I use the ferries a lot and while you are queuing up before and after check in the dog patrols move along the cars/vans etc. Occasionally they ask to put the dog in the van for a sniff around. The dogs are very keen to find something as they get a treat if they do.

Montage of Feck

If you do cocaine you are scum, why isn't this message being put out by the authorities and social bodies such as the GAA.

Collie D

Cute doggie

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058305092/rosslare-drug-seizure

Could you name these towns or villages that cocaine has destroyed, I'd like to google it. Cocaine is not like a tsunami, earthquake or the Luftwaffe. It's an inanimate substance, you can take it or leave it, nobody forces up your nose, they don't have to. People get enjoyment from it, it's roughly worth its weight in gold. Drug debts? that's another reason it should be legalised, alcohol kills more than coke but pub and off-license owners don't threaten families of alcoholics for unpaid debts.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853513#Comment_120853513

Majority of towns in Ireland now have drugs issues. We have people robbing women/old people etc for money to pay for it.

No need for the silly whataboutery talking about alcohol. Cocaine is illegal and if you want to ban alcohol take that up with relevant authorities but that doesn't make an excuse for taking an illegal drug and feeding crime rates in Ireland

As far as I am concerned this poster is 100% correct.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853440#Comment_120853440

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853440#Comment_120853440

Because it’s not true. You may as well say if you take alcohol you are scum. The vast majority will just laugh at such statements.

Deub

Good catch from the Authorities. Unfortunately, it is a drop in an ocean but hopefully they will ramp up the seizures.

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853440#Comment_120853440

How are they scum? it's their bodies, their choice. I've done it myself in the past and I don't feel morally inferior to you or any other supporter of the War on Drugs. It's their support of this insane, expensive and ineffective policy which creates the criminality associated with it. The Beatles, Rolling Stones and Diego Maradona have done it, but they're regarded as Gods, not scum.

Quitelife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853513#Comment_120853513

In the mid west it’s a huge problem all controlled by traveller gangs who have the fear of god put into communities. In Limerick city you might have some bit of a garda presence but out the county most garda stations are closed down or open token hours . Towns like Abbeyfeale, askeaton , rathkeale, Kilmallock , Newcastle west are controlled by these gangs. Free taster sachets of cocaine to 16/17/18 year olds to get them started and then burn their parents house down at 21/22/23 unless they pay drug debts that are doubled & quadrupled on a weekly basis seems to be the pattern once they’ve the youngsters turned into addicts . Suicide is the only way out for many young people but the gangs still chase & beat up the mourning parents . No point googling it because there’s no guards to catch the drug dealers or at least none are ever caught , it just continues unabated getting worse each year .

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853545#Comment_120853545

Because they and you are supporting crime. See all those people getting murdered because of drug crimes. That because of you and others.

I was actually just going to post saying people don't seem to have the ability anymore to make a decision without been influenced by TV which has glorified cocaine for year. You just made it better than I ever could, more or less you are saying you done cocaine because you seen someone else done it.

As my mother would say "If he jumped off a bridge would you?"

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853529#Comment_120853529

I'll repeat, the actor Robin Williams said "cocaine is God's way of saying you're earning too much money" and a lot of working class people enjoy a few lines without having to resort to theft. I notice you didn't name any town/village that has been "destroyed" by cocaine.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853566#Comment_120853566

If you fill your tank with petrol you are supporting crime. If you buy almost anything you are supporting child labour. Your statements are nonsense. The government are creating crime by their policies and losing war on drugs, it’s they who can really reduce these crimes.

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853566#Comment_120853566

That's why I'm arguing for a change of the law, so that people don't have to support criminals. People jump off bridges if they're suicidal, they take cocaine for enjoyment, big difference. TV didn't influence me to take it.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853590#Comment_120853590

You just listed out bands and sports stars as some sort of proof it ok.....then you claim TV didn't influence you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853583#Comment_120853583

The problem is not with the government. The problem is the amount of silly people who look to TV to tell them what to do in their own lives or just do drugs because their friends do it.

The people creating crime are the ones buying illegal drugs. Then complaining when the drug dealer turns around and commits a crime against them. Oh the tears if the drug dealer or addict kills a family member. What are the Gardai doing? blah blah blah.....

Time people took responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming the government. If the Irish people want a crime ridden state full of drugs, then take drugs

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853536#Comment_120853536

What will that do

It's been a losing battle since day 1

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853571#Comment_120853571

Go to any town and ask the locals, they will tell you all about it.

You are supporting crime. I didn't say the buyer would have to resort to theft. Can you define when buying illegal drugs has reduced crime?

Also the "working class people", can you explain who exactly you are referring to when you make this comment? who are these people?

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853558#Comment_120853558

This post is a great reason why cocaine should be legal, I don't want criminal gangs, travellers or not, to run this business forever, do you? Chasing families of coke users for unpaid debts, like I said pub or off-license owners don't do that to an alcoholic's family. By keeping it illegal you're making these undesirables wealthier and more dangerous. Btw I don't believe your "free taster sachets" to 16/17/17 year olds, It never happened to me or any other coke-user I know. It was a friend, not an anonymous dealer, who offered me my first line.

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853614#Comment_120853614

If I believed all the rubbish I hear on TV debates about cocaine, I'd run a mile from it. They always talk about the misery, problems etc. All negative language and always ignore the elephant in the room, enjoyment. So yes, TV didn't influence me.

kirk.

Enjoyment is the tip of an iceberg

It's what's beneath the the problem

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853671#Comment_120853671

TV has glorified it for years. Again you say TV didn't influence you then you posted about why you used it because soccer stars and bands used it. SO yes TV did influence you or you would never have mentioned them. You just seem incapable of understanding that.

Anyway point done to death now.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853638#Comment_120853638

No we don't legalise something for those reasons

If people want to stop crime they need to stop supporting crime. So you and the "other coke-user you know need to stop supporting crime.

Maybe we can get people who want to use coke to put their name down, so next time a crime is committed we know who to leave at it themselves and who the Gardai should focus on. I think this would be a lot better use of Gardai time and might get a few people to think a bit harder.

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853632#Comment_120853632

I'm working class, I live in a council estate, many of my friends are builders, delivery men, taxi-drivers etc who also take it. I'm arguing for a change of law so that we don't enrich the type of people described in the Gangland Shootings thread on Boards. Prohibition of alcohol made people like Al Capone wealthy and dangerous, it failed. Now we have history repeating itself, as someone said something like "The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome"

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853718#Comment_120853718

Stop taking drugs and you won't enrich people in gangland shootings. Then discuss about changing the law. That's how adults work. Or should work.

Taking drugs, fuelling crime and then complaining about crime is "the definition of insanity" to me.

I refer back to my previous, maybe we should allow people who want to take cocaine to tell the gardai. They don't get charged if under a certain amount but they can look after their own safety when the nice local drug dealer or addict come calling.

Montage of Feck

I can accept people having a need to use alcohol, cannabis even crack or heroin as a means to escape life's miseries. But the overt narcism associated with cocaine use just boils my blood.

Deub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853718#Comment_120853718

if you think legalising drug will stop mafia/gangs to get rich, you are mistaken.

About insanity, simply look at the US with their gun law. Do you think it works a treat for them?

Do you think we wouldn’t see more deaths if drugs like cocaine was freely available? And I am not only talking about overdose but car accidents, domestic accidents?

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853700#Comment_120853700

Another reason it should be legal, is because it's consensual, it doesn't involve a non-consenting victim, unlike robbery, rape, murder etc. Homosexuality was against the law but people still practised it, before the law was changed, like using drugs, it's also consensual. The same with contraception, people still got it in the UK and used it before it was legal here. Neither "crime" involved a non-consenting person.

pat_sconce

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851791#Comment_120851791

There are approx 17,000 gardai. Of course there will be a small element in ANY group of 17,000 predominantly male employees.

But because they are gardai, their actions get substantially more press coverage than if they were in a large private company and some people will then jump to a conclusion that due to a very small number of incidents that the force is then "riddled" with corruption.

and it is also true that some criminal elements will try and coerce their way into becoming a garda - just as some gardai will infiltrate criminal gangs so that actions can be thwarted.

But to jump to a conclusion that due to the actions of a very small number that this gives a super highway to drug importers is just plain ridiculous.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853754#Comment_120853754

People that talk about legalise cocaine to be honest have no idea what it means.

From what I can see no country in the World has made the buying and selling of cocaine legal

Yet someone in Ireland who likes to take cocaine thinks we should make it legal and everything will be ok then. Yet they are already feeding the criminal gangs in Ireland. Not really the people I would be looking to on advice if we should make cocaine legal or not.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853777#Comment_120853777

You are trying to compare drug taking to homosexuality and contraception. Go back and think about that one a bit longer

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853778#Comment_120853778

Small and very small issues in Garda as an organisation. But no chance any of this will hit the street. Didn't they say on average what the Garda or any police force catch is less than 10% of the amount of drugs actually getting into the country. So this might seem like a big catch but in reality it isn't.

If people gave the same amount of money to the Garda that they give drugs dealer to buy the drugs we would be in a lot better situation.

But they won't, blow all their money on drugs and hate to keep saying it, they are the first people crying when crime hits them. Then it's all the Garda fault.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058305092/rosslare-drug-seizure

...they might be glorifying it, but you gotta ask, is our current approach truly working? this is more than likely just a drop in the ocean of the amount of the stuff making it into circulation, we re currently experiencing an epidemic with the stuff, with a significant rise in teenagers entering rehab, and even a very small percentage of pre teens, now thats scary sh1t!

great podcast on it....

https://player.fm/series/in-the-news-2930202/what-is-fuelling-irelands-cocaine-epidemic

whatever we ve been doing, it aint working!

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853831#Comment_120853831

Unless the population are with you then its pointless.

You have entire families now who are drug dealers. In reality in the likes of Dublin you will have entire estates which are made up of drug dealers and drug addicts.

The city centre is like the walking dead at times with zombie addicts walking about. Especially with covid and the number of workers reduced.

The Garda can't cope, you can easily find videos of massive groups of kids/young adults attacking Garda. Just last week a video of a group, including adults attacking two Garda in an estate in Dublin with the Garda having to run away

Then you have people on here talking about taking a few lines. How can a population or Garda fight the rising tide?

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853788#Comment_120853788

Yes, both were illegal, like drugs, people still used/practised it despite the law, like drugs and they also involved non-consenting victims like drugs. It is a credible analogy, I'm actually surprised you don't agree.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853863#Comment_120853863

It's not credible. Not credible at all.If you can't work out the differences then sorry I ain't here to help.

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853754#Comment_120853754

How do you know I'm mistaken if we legalise drugs, have you a crystal ball. I'd love to see it tried for a couple of years, if the pros don't outweigh the cons by then, we can revert to prohibition but let's not knock it 'til we try it. I don't agree with America's gun laws, but that's probably for another thread. Car accidents involve excess speeding and reckless driving and should be policed robustly, whether drivers take coke or not. Many motorists here condone that by flashing their lights to warn others of a Garda road check. That's probably for another thread too.

freshpopcorn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853863#Comment_120853863

I'd you want people to buy into legalising cocaine and other drugs.

You've got to come up with a better analogy than homosexuality and cocaine.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853861#Comment_120853861

...drug use is astonishingly complicated, but you can be damn sure, stress plays a major role for many, then of course theres the pleasure seekers, and everything else in between....

...we ve managed to stress a significant proportion of citizens to the point, they will consume whatever it takes to remove themselves from their painful reality, we cant keep playing this game, many other countries have gone down this road, and a right mess has resulted, parts of the us etc....

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853903#Comment_120853903

Fair enough. Can you give me ONE good reason why coke is and should remain illegal, because I've yet to hear it.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853913#Comment_120853913

...i think those of us that advocate for legalisation, would wanna be careful what we wish for, it wouldnt solve all our problems, it would clearly significantly magnify many of the related issues, thats the reality of it....

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853737#Comment_120853737

Do you actually think people will stop taking drugs because they're illegal and others don't approve. You want people to tell Gardai they've taken cocaine? Are you serious? I don't complain about crime associated with the illegality of drugs, I wish it didn't happen but I accept it as a consequence of prohibition unlike supporters of the War on Drugs.

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853921#Comment_120853921

like I said, why not try it first, we can revert to prohibition, if the pros don't outweigh the cons

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853866#Comment_120853866

Yes it is, another similarity is that others didn't approve, both were considered immoral, just like taking drugs.

freshpopcorn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853913#Comment_120853913

It's a very complex issue.

Well currently in Ireland mental health services are massively under resourced and are struggling. I doubt legalising Concaine and other harsher drugs. Will improve the situation. That issue is fixable tough.

I'm not anti legalisation tough. I'm open to it. Your earlier analogy was fairly poor. I just think we need to know more.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853961#Comment_120853961

....addictions and addictive substances dont work that way, you may bin logic when approaching them, in theory yes, but the reality is, this would more than likely fail, and fail very badly, it would probably be like opening the barn door type situation....

..i would advocate for an extremely slow measured legalisation process, for example, start with class c's, legalise these slowly, see what happens, address social problems that result from this, increase funding and resources into sectors that are required, health system etc, then move forward...

class a's are so for a reason, we all know they are highly addictive, highly problematic, and potentially highly dangerous, we already know this....

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853975#Comment_120853975

I can't see how keeping cocaine illegal will help under resourced mental health services.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853913#Comment_120853913

Suggest you google "Why is cocaine illegal". Not sure how anyone in the World at this stage is not aware why it is illegal.

You have so far tried to compare to homosexuality, contraception and now you are saying you have never once heard one reason why it should be illegal. I might suggest you do a tiny bit of research before trying to push for drug to be legalised but seem to have no idea what it is or why it is illegal.

Also it might be worth doing a bit of research about the drug before you use. Concerning you are using it yet know nothing about the issues with the drug. So maybe explain what research you did before taking it?