Do Politicians and other public figures need extra protection from weirdos.

Yet another disturbing video emerged this week of some angry oddball attempting to intimidate Holly Cairns.

People have published the home address of Leo Varadkar, protested outside the house of Simon Donnelly, and only yesterday Paddy Cosgrave published the address of Doireann Garrihty. Some of his malcontent supporters then published a photo of her house?

Do public figures now need extra protection from these weirdos? It seems to have moved from just online stalking and obsession to real world intimidation.

What we don’t want is some Irish Raoul Moat going postal. We have incredible access to our politicians and public figure here and they are as entitled to down time and a private life as anyone else.

ancapailldorcha

Here in the UK, we've seen two MPs murdered in the past decade - Jo Cox and David Amess. We also have good access to MPs here and it'd be really sad to lose that. However, I do think MPs should have access to better security given the rise in online and real life hatred.

z80CPU

Jill Dando ajournalist covering then Serbian atrocities was murdered in 1998.

No suspect found not to mind charged

elperello

https://www.thejournal.ie/new-allowance-for-td-security-6064041-May2023/

This scheme already exists and more may be needed.

It's part of the price for democracy.

Del2005

Instead of more protection for politicians make publishing personal details a criminal offence with massive fines and enforce this law. It's not just politicians getting their personal details published.

People are entitled to protest but it should be illegal near homes and businesses.

Strumms

What I find funny is the total… €5,000. A real plucked out of the ether, randomly even number.

” a study showed the average personal security expense related towards TDs is 4370 euros…”

“ jaysus nearly 5 grand, sure give the 5 , even it up and say no more about it, keeps the maths simple and sure my calculator is broken anyway “

Brussels Sprout

One thing that should be instantly done is to remove election candidate's home addresses from the election ballots (which they are currently mandated to be on). I believe this is the main source for these weirdos finding out exactly where they live.

Strumms

I think 220 senators and TDs ballpark.

so that’s well over one million euros. 1.1 million euros. I’m sure any poor sod on a hospital waiting list will be thrilled with it.

They accepted the jobs with no CCTV payment so….

Helen McEntee’s father committed suicide partly because of the abuse he received online.

Stephen Donnelly spoke only today about the abuse politicians from across the spectrum are now receiving from increasingly menacing anonymous cowards.

A TD makes a decent living but there’s far easier ways make 110k per year that doesn’t involve the long hours and having to face this sustained abuse.

It’s time we as a society faced up to this coarsening of public discourse.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120850522#Comment_120850522

The abuse has got so toxic from a small minority its only a matter of time before someone murders a politician in Ireland.

We are in a situation where an attack is likely to happen probably due to stochastic terrorism.

buried

Yeah sure, they can have all the extra protection they want.

And they can pay for it themselves.

Just like I had to pay for it, when my local Garda station was shut down.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058305052/do-politicians-and-other-public-figures-need-extra-protection-from-weirdos

...sounds like we were right to shift cosgrave off to other shores, what a fcuking arsehole!

Overheal

TLDR yes. John Hinkley Jr 1981's attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan because he was obsessed with Jodie Foster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Jid5uRFo4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851999#Comment_120851999

I’m not sure what the attempted assassination of Reagan in the United States in 1981, a pre internet world, has to do with the topic being discussed, but thanks I suppose.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851943#Comment_120851943

I fear this as well. Someone I know used to work for what was once Telecom Éireann and I'm grateful that they stopped before covid and a certain activist started spewing poison.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852006#Comment_120852006

You're most welcome! I cannot imagine why anyone would think people have become less of "weirdos" since 1981, especially because of the Internet World. Your OP regards "online stalking and obsession to real world intimidation."

If the recency of the danger is a concern, here's one from this month:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-guns-arrested-obama-home-attempted-evade-secret/story?id=100721557

Another user, 1st reply, also provided recent examples from the UK but this didn't seem to warrant such a pithy dismissal from you. Dunno why. Is there something contentious about pointing out there is a long, bloodied history of weirdos attacking politicians, and yes public figures should take extra security precautions any average citizen or person would not attract the risk of?

Silentcorner

It's not just happening outside Government buildings, we all witnessed the harassment of a female Senator by 3/4 other female Senators just last year, I never witnessed anything like it, no consequences for those abusers it must be noticed.

Unfortunately, I suspect it will get worse, and it is a sad indictment of our times, the political turbulence that we have been witnessing in other countries is starting to manifest itself here.

But the politicians have to ask themselves some hard questions because calling elements of the electorate racist/homophobes/misogynist/ white men etc etc will be applauded by some but it ain't gonna cut with a growing number of people who have been subjected to

A shambolic health system, with no end in sight.

A decade-long housing crisis, with no end in sight.

An open border policy, which exacerbates the above.

The inflation crisis.

A mountain of extremely influential and tax payer funded NGOs that are not accountable to any body.

Heavy-handed prolonged lockdown policies.

An unexplained and ignored surge in excess deaths since the lock downs.

The cost to individuals and households of Net Zero policies.

And that is before we get into the growing list of topics we aren't allowed to discuss!!

They should probably start by promoting the most competent politicians to the Cabinet and not promoting them on the basis of geography and genitals. It's no accident the weakest Ministers are the Ministers selected on the above basis! And get rid of Harris, no person without any life experience outside of the Dail should be in Cabinet...he's an emotional wreck of a man most of the time anyway.

breezy1985

A fair few of the constant rereg CA/IMHO posters will be popping on to say no because they have wet dreams about "eliminating" TDs

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852105#Comment_120852105

I’m not advocating for harassment of politicians or other public figures but it is time that politicians stopped treating the public as fools .

Is this the same Holly Cairns that got ten minutes on Prime Time last night to give her views on the dairy bull calf controversy ? Her views were the only ones aired.I didn’t see anyone else on the panel . Why was that ?

When you engage in ,and are facilitated in this manner and have prime time slots at your sole disposal to further your agenda above all else,how do you think any ordinary person can get their views expressed ?

ancapailldorcha

Victim-blaming. It's never far away.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852105#Comment_120852105

Mad how you defend an incredibly abusive bully Senator - talk about how we should have less abuse then abuse Minister Harris

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852504#Comment_120852504

I'm "abusing" Minister Harris!!

Senator Keoghan was the incredibly abusive bully in the Seanad?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sharon-keogan-resigns-from-committee-i-no-longer-feel-safe-1.4863531 She stepped down from a committee because she no longer felt safe.

I'll let normal people make up their own mind who was being bullied.

Orange-Coca-Cola

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851857#Comment_120851857

Helen McEntee's father? Really? I get that she might be incorrectly wanting to blame anyone else for that, but not sure why anyone else would [apart from the obvious].

How about the thousands that commit suicide because of the greed of politicians, the corruption that can force people out of business and so much more. Helen McEntee's father indeed.

If politicians want more security, then by all means pay for it out of their overpaid salaries. Leo for a start could cut off his grubby freeloaders, mainly the ex-chief of his 'strategic communications unit' [what a title] that he keeps bringing back to pay more. That sort of publicity does not really help him to endear himself to the public apart from it being seen as wasteful spending it builds a bigger profile and shows how important he deems his image over everything else.

There is no doubt a growing trend of far right and other groups online, but harsher penatlies or punishments would cut those figures in half or by a quarter. Assuming it was done correctly and not just aimed at name callers.

As for TD's an a far easier way to make a living for the same money, they need qualifications to do that, Most of them are qualified to earn a basic wage plus whatever yearly increases may bring. As for your poor attempt at sensationalism with "sustained abuse", it is hardly that. Not even close.

We as a society need to face up to how corrupt the whole system in Ireland has become, and realise that when they start begging for more money or start looking for extra pay for security or other nonsense departments that we should say no, and stop them from abusing the public money. We have seen it with RTE, ABP, HSE and countless politicians before and now. If you are going to call out the alleged need to step up security [which to my knowledge has not been shown to be violent other than insults and other negative words], then paint the full picture, not just the little bits that suit you.

Galwayguy35

Seems like yer man had a Twitter spat with Gannon and was asking Holly Cairns about it, I watch the video and she didn't seem too intimidated to me.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852575#Comment_120852575

Yep

She is a bully. She dogpiled on someone on Twitter last week. Really nasty bully.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852608#Comment_120852608

Like where a far right agitators called for President Higgins head to be stamped on?

https://www.thesun.ie/news/7959493/cops-arrest-warrant-anti-vaxxer-dolores-webster-dee-wall/

Like when a former soldier is making threatening videos with gunshots against The Taoiseach

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/gardai-visit-far-right-activists-to-determine-if-they-pose-threat-to-ministers-1.4859482

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852667#Comment_120852667

I'm unaware of that incident I'm afraid, I am sorry, I thought you were referring to the incident where she was bullied out of her position on the Childrens committee.

I do accept that female politicians seem to be more vulnerable to bullying and getting dogpiled, but it's normally weak men and "empowered women" who are the most prolific at abusing female politicians.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852689#Comment_120852689

She's a cruel hateful bully. Her social media accounts show that clearly.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851857#Comment_120851857

110k is not enough to be abused like that

L.Ball

Yeah it'd be a terrible shame if the political class had to come face to face with the anger of the people they consistently f*ck over.

Orange-Coca-Cola

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852685#Comment_120852685

A report from probably the most sensationalist rag to ever have existed. It was not that long ago that they were publishing anti-Irish propaganda, I am not doubting that loon exists, but I would take anything from that rag with a lot of salt.

The second article from April 2022 says

"Garda detectives have been visiting far-right activists in recent months to determine if they pose a threat to Government Ministers and public officials."

"The visits generally take the form of “relatively informal conversations” during which detectives attempt to establish if the individual may pose a threat to public officials, one security source said."

The video in question had a soundbite of a gunshot to signify the video ended, and ended with a bunch of Gardai calling to him and a file sent to the DPP. Do we know if anything happened over a year and a half later? Apart from in May of this year when the TDs received another allowance, of €5000 this time to beef up security.

So in short, a load of noise is made, there are some allegations made and a €5000 bonus payment is made to TDs and now we are asked if they should have even more money for more protection.

No. But if they want it, they should pay for it themselves.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852152#Comment_120852152

Hmm.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853050#Comment_120853050

You said threats haven't been made.

Not true at all.

greencap

ah i see they have already written themselves a grant for that, ... of course they have.

but yes. i suppose they do need extra protection.

anyone with a political or media profile will have higher 'weirdo in the bushes' odds.

the weirdo odds generally being proportional to the size of the individuals profile.

with anything political getting +5 weirdo points.

if you're a hot looking female politician then its got to be almost a certainty. you may as well just build the semen covered shrine behind your house in advance. just go buy a crucifix and a bucket of jizz before you sign up.

Ramasun

It starts with "[insert public service] is a scam "

It ends in tears.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058305052/do-politicians-and-other-public-figures-need-extra-protection-from-weirdos

Yes

Paddy Cosgrove complains about weirdo's going after him yet is leading a online mob of nut jobs to go after people.

People in Ireland seemed to have seen the nut jobs in America/UK and instead of going "we will never go like that" they have said "oh let's do the exact same as them"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852790#Comment_120852790

Politicians are voted for. Don't vote for them. Fairly easy way to get them out of office.

You might think a politicians is f**king you over and another is great for you, but guess what, another person down the street will have another opinion so we have a system that is based on the majority.

We now have a load of people who think that the entire government should just make decisions that suit them. Not how it works. If the government is not working for the population they will be voted out. That's how it works.

If we had all the clowns online who are complaining actually voting in an election it would be interesting. Most elections we have millions who never vote

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851961#Comment_120851961

He is in Ireland, that's the problem.

L.Ball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853588#Comment_120853588

It's easy to vote them out? And replace them with who, the shinners or self serving independents? and this "are sure it's not their fault the poor craytures" bootlicker mentality blows my mind.

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853730#Comment_120853730

Ireland has more choice of parties than ever before. Do a little bit of research and you will be surprised what you might find.

"bootlicker mentality " 😂

So many hard people behind anonymous accounts on the internet. You should have a look at the Paddy Cosgrove followers, you would fit right in. Of course you need to create a fake twitter account for that

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853730#Comment_120853730

If you don't like any of the options on the menu you need to get into the kitchen and rustle something up yourself; that's how democracies work.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853286#Comment_120853286

They definitely need more protection.

Lots of weirdos out there.

JayRoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853588#Comment_120853588

If I could agree with this post any more, I'd pull a muscle.

Giving out about politicians on social media is easy. Every politician I have met (and that's a lot), even the ones who I don't agree with and don't like, work hard. And almost all of them could make the same/better money in the private sector.

Every idiot that harrasses a politician in public makes it less likely that normal, everyday people will ever want to enter politics.

(Also, I dunno if anyone's actually seen Paddy Cosgrave in public recently but he doesn't scratch his arse without two giant bodyguards making sure it's safe, even in the States where no one knows or presumably cares who he is)

Peter Flynt

Politicians who vote in favour of certain issues (e.g. making people homeless by removing the ban on evictions) deserve abuse. I do not condone physical attacks of any kind.

JayRoc

We've a country full of people who don't bother voting and still think they've a right to an opinion on politicians.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120854544#Comment_120854544

Using that logic, literally everyone who has done something to annoy you deserves to be abused or threatened. A politician, a schoolteacher, a Garda, your GP, a work colleague etc.

Keep in mind though that if you go down that ugly route, it will end up with every second or third person you meet abusing or threatening you.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120854544#Comment_120854544

What kind of abuse is acceptable then? Would you be okay with this?

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/leo-varadkar-politicians-slam-abuse-21615652

Orange-Coca-Cola

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853282#Comment_120853282

No I did not. Where are you pulling that from?

Or are you saying that you accusing me of saying that is not true at all. Because that would be more accurate.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853753#Comment_120853753

Yes we have more choice but whatever choice you pick is a bad choice, you can only hope that the useless person you pick isn't as useless as the other useless people. All abuse towards politicians is wrong but you can understand why so many are angry with Politicians.

hymenelectra

Beyond genuine psychos like the jodie Foster thing, I would be quite sure the reason for needed additional protection is the incredibly unpopular direction of the country.

What's new? Why is this needed now, and not before?

Is it a coincidence that it's overlapping at the same time as the "hate" speech bill?

Corruption is rife. RTE being the latest side show. The latest NAMA fiasco. Politicians caught red handed profiting off the housing crisis. Mass migration crisis, healthcare buckling, not enough guards, not enough fooking anything. Yet every decision they make, again and again and again, beggars belief.

But the swine will turn around every second of the day to talk about how much money "we" have.

Yep. These people need protection. And they're the reason they need it.

They better be getting an awful lot of money out of their dealings because life won't be worth living here for them when it all comes out.

Orange-Coca-Cola

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853844#Comment_120853844

That's actually how democracies do not work. Democracy does not work, but there are no other options at this time - especially none that people are willing to try and I am not sure how we would even go about that, vote? 😂.

As for the abuse. Abuse is not good in any form, whether it is politicians abusing their power or the public moneys, or the public abusing them for doing so. But I think many on this thread need to take a step back. There may be one story there that could be misconstrued as abuse, but the majority of them are at worst, name calling or protesting in what is considered by some, the wrong place at the wrong time. I do not believe throwing more money at them for added security would change either of those things. If anything, it could end up making things a lot worse. One over zealous security person is all it would take. It would not be the first time.

To be clear. We should not be giving them any more money for anything else any more. If they want more shit in their sandwich then let them sacrifice one of their other perks. Or use their own massive salaries.

For Forks Sake

This probably flew under the radar with all the RTE stuff going on during the week.

From a farmers meeting on the nature restoration initiative

https://twitter.com/Biggyfin/status/1678047409866174465?s=19