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Rugby Championship 2023

  • 13-07-2023 4:24pm
    Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭

    Better late than never.

    Discussion about the annual competition between Argentina / Australia / South Africa / NZ.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,590 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat

    new zealand v South africa

    All Blacks match day 23 (Test caps in brackets) * debutant 


    1. Ethan de Groot (14)

    2. Codie Taylor (77)

    3. Tyrel Lomax (24)

    4. Brodie Retallick (100)

    5. Scott Barrett (59) 

    6. Shannon Frizell (26)

    7. Sam Cane (captain – 87)

    8. Ardie Savea (71)

    9. Aaron Smith (115)

    10. Richie Mo’unga (45)

    11. Mark Telea (2)

    12. Jordie Barrett (49)

    13. Rieko Ioane (60)

    14. Will Jordan (21)

    15. Beauden Barrett (113)


    16. Samisoni Taukei’aho (21)

    17. Tamaiti Williams *

    18. Nepo Laulala (46)

    19. Tupou Vaa’i (19)

    20. Dalton Papali’i (23)

    21. Finlay Christie (15)

    22. Braydon Ennor (7)

    23. Caleb Clarke (16)

    Springbok team to face New Zealand:

    15 – Willie le Roux (Vodacom Bulls) – 84 caps, 65 pts (13t)

    14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Suntory Sungoliath) – 23 caps, 74pts (11t, 2c, 5p)

    13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 32 caps, 30 pts (6t)

    12 – Damian de Allende (Panasonic Wild Knights) – 70 Tests, 45pts (9t)

    11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 36 caps, 110pts (22t)

    10 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 28 caps, 36 pts (2t, 4c, 4p, 2d)

    9 – Faf de Klerk (Canon Eagles) – 46 Tests, 41pts (5t, 2c, 4p)

    8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester) – 20 caps, 5pts (1t)

    7 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 63 caps, 15pts (3t)

    6 – Kwagga Smith (Blue Revs) – 31 caps, 20pts (4t)

    5 – Lood de Jager (Panasonic Wild Knights) – 65 caps, 25pts (5t)

    4 – Eben Etzebeth (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 110 caps, 15pts (3t)

    3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 59 caps, 5 pts (1t)

    2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Cell C Sharks) – 57 caps, 60 pts (12t)

    1 – Steven Kitshoff (Ulster) – 72 caps, 10pts (2t)


    16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 59 caps, 70pts (14t)

    17 – Thomas du Toit (Bath) – 16 caps, 0 pts

    18 – Vincent Koch (Stade Francais) – 42 caps, 0 pts

    19 – RG Snyman (Munster) – 24 caps, 5 pts (1t)

    20 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz) – 67 caps, 30 pts (6t)

    21 – Duane Vermeulen (SA Rugby) – 66 caps, 15 pts (3t)

    22 – Grant Williams (Cell C Sharks) – 2 caps, 0 pts

    23 – Manie Libbok (DHL Stormers) – 4 caps, 19 pts (8c, 1p)


    No place in the Kiwi side for the two chiefs main players of the season in DMCK and Narawa. Telea, who has been in fantastic form, in instead of Narawa. Telea is more of a hungry winger who comes in off his wing and gets involved. He can offload in a shoebox, though hasnt the out and out pace that Narawa has. He has nearly 5 inches on kolbe but wouldn't be known for his aerial prowess. On the other wing will jordon against mapimpi is intriguing in itself.

    South Africa will certainly be confident they can take the ABs up front. it will be a big ask of debutant tamati Williams to deal with veteran vincent koch for the last 30 mins. When you look at the pure size and bulk of 19, 20 and 21 off the bench for SA its genuinely intimidating. At 19 and 20 NZ are giving up 13 cms and 6 kgs alone (to go alone with the 5cms and 4 kg theyre already down at blindside)

    The bookies started at -8 before the teams were named, and are at -5 to NZ now. A double result of NZ - SA at 9/1 is looking mightily attractive.

  • Subscribers Posts: 41,590 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat

    Wallabies team to play Argentina at CommBank Stadium, Sydney on Saturday 15 July, 7:45pm AEST 

    1. James Slipper (c) (128 Tests)
    2. David Porecki (11 Tests)
    3. Allan Alaalatoa (65 Tests)
    4. Richie Arnold (1 Test)
    5. Will Skelton (25 Tests)
    6. Jed Holloway (10 Tests)
    7. Fraser McReight (10 Tests)
    8. Rob Valetini (31 Tests)
    9. Nic White (60 Tests)
    10. Quade Cooper (77 Tests)
    11. Marika Koroibete (52 Tests)
    12. Samu Kerevi (42 Tests)
    13. Len Ikitau (27 Tests)
    14. Mark Nawaqanitawase (3 Tests)
    15. Tom Wright (24 Tests) 


    1. Jordan Uelese (16 Tests)
    2. Angus Bell (20 Tests)
    3. Pone Fa’amausili (3 Tests)
    4. Matt Philip (27 Tests)
    5. Rob Leota (13 Tests)
    6. Josh Kemeny*
    7. Tate McDermott (22 Tests)
    8. Carter Gordon (1 Test)

    *denotes uncapped


    15. Emiliano Boffelli

    14. Rodrigo Isgro

    13. Lucio Cinti

    12. Jeronimo De La Fuente

    11. Mateo Carreras

    10. Santiago Carreras

    9. Gonzalo Bertranou

    8. Juan Martin Gonzalez

    7. Santiago Grondona

    6. Pablo Matera

    5. Tomas Lavanini

    4. Matias Alemanno

    3. Francisco Gomez Kodela

    2. Julian Montoya (capt)

    1. Thomas Gallo

    Replacements: 16Agustin Creevy, 17. Hahuel Tetaz Chaparro, 18. Eduardo Bello, 19. Lucas Paulos, 20. Rodrigo Bruni, 21. Lautaro Bazan Velez, 22. Nicolas Sanchez, 23. Matias Moroni

    much better back line for aussie this weekend. Kerevi is on another planet as a 12 compared to Hodge. Nawaqanitawase is a complete upgrade on vunivalu as well.

    What should be a routine win for the aussies is left as a question mark because somehow Eddie Jones has made a team of absolute athletes look like a kicking heavy poorer version of england. If they throw the ball around they will win by 20 points here.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets

    Very surprised at DMC being dropped. I know they have a surfeit of players capable of double jobbing between 10 and 15, but dropping him and having Clarke on the bench is wild.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right

    @TheRona thanks for creating the thread. I was thinking that someone really should create one but I'm far to lazy to do it myself 🤣

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭Former Former Former

    I've only just seen the video of Sam Cane kicking the Argentinian fan.

    Surely he's going to face some sort of sanction?

    Edit: when I heard he'd "tripped" the guy I thought, fair play, but he absolutely leathered him.

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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,590 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat

    Going by the sexton incident we might hear about it in 2025

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets

    Reading the thread on Reddit, crazy the amount of people cheering him for assaulting the lad.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster

    Do we know if Etzebeth is going to play yet after the death of his father?

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney

    Do they stop being fans when they cross the barrier?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭Former Former Former

    It was a teenager having a bit of a laugh. Not sure the 'real fans' argument applies here.

    Anyway, I see now that SANZAAR already cleared him within a day or two and without any need for a hearing. No surprise there I guess. If only EPCR were as efficient :)

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right

    I was kinda hoping he'd get suspended and ruled out of the RWC. It would have strengthened the ABs loose forward trio and given us a better captain.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭phog

    It's crazy he didn't get a ban, no sympathy for the pitch invader either but afaik it was after the game so less of an issue.

    I remember one of our knock out games (possibly Perpignan) in the old Lansdowne Rd and a Munster fan decided to run across the field during a break in play, I was hoping a player would take him out.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets

    I don't like the trend of hyper aggressive take downs for pitch invaders, always strikes as being way over the top

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right

    My mate's dad got smacked on his bare arse a couple of times by one of the Chappell brothers when he streaked a cricket match between Aus and NZ in the 70s or 80s. There was quite a famous photo of it and years later he got the Chappell to autograph it. It was framed in the living room.

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney

    Y'all ready for this?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭TheRona

    All Blacks have come out firing

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives

    will jordan... unreal stuff

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney

    Telea looks extremely dangerous

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭TheRona

    SA completely at sea. They need to get their hands on the ball.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭TheRona

    Lomu-esque try from Frizell.

    NZ absolutely destroying SA with their kicking game.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives

    quick hands quick hands quick hands.... great stuff from the kiwis

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney

    Clock RFC looking worried

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭TheRona

    That's a knock on. No control, no pressure, went towards the dead ball line.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney

    These restarts are brutal/fantastic

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney

    Why are SHs allowed tackle without the ball?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭TheRona

    Free kick against NZ for trying to create a gap at the lineout when SA keep closing it. Ridiculous.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives

    Faf kicking?