France rioting - please read the OP before posting

Kermit.de.frog · 30-06-2023 9:19am #1

Even by modern France standards the situation seems bleak enough this time. Riots and violence have broken out in most cities after police shot dead a 17 year old boy on Tuesday in a Paris suburb. Nearly 700 were arrested last night alone across the country and there are calls for a state of emergency.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/30/france-riots-violence-looting-emmanuel-macron-paris-marseill-nanterre-nahele-lille-latest-updates

The fact people outside France barely raise an eyelid is probably because this type of trouble is so common in France. They mention the US or Sweden in a heartbeat but France gets a pass for some reason. It's a society under great pressure and the problems are much deeper than simply more accountability.

Anyway what should Macron do?

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brickster69 · 30-06-2023 9:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058303032/france-rioting

They should get in touch with that Lukashenko bloke, he would sort it in 24 hours no problem.

As for Macron he has far more important things to do.

https://twitter.com/tartanpirate1/status/1674714253985562624

Dohnjoe · 30-06-2023 9:50am

A good few years back the same happened in the UK, the murder of a man by police triggered an orgy of violence, looting and theft across the country.

Same thing happening in France, not much Macron can do. They set the public library in Marseilles on fire. They'll use the police story as cover (and there are certainly police issues) but 99% of it is opportunism.

batman_oh · 30-06-2023 9:56am

It just goes to show how bad everything is under the surface. It's almost as if the multicultural fantasy world that some seem to think is inevitable is actually a lot more difficult to achieve than just dumping everybody everywhere and hoping for the best.

silverharp · 30-06-2023 10:58am

they arent messing around, even disturbances in Belgium

https://twitter.com/GoldingBF/status/1674733139447382018

suvigirl · 30-06-2023 11:04am

Its completely common in France, does a month go by where the French are not demonstrating/rioting/striking etc. They don't take things sitting down, they get up and make their voices heard, not always in the correct fashion imo.

All protests start the same, then some get involved who are just interested in rioting/looting/fighting with police.

The French have a history of revolution, nothing to do with any 'newcomers ' like some would like you to believe.

suvigirl · 30-06-2023 11:08am

https://daily.jstor.org/do-the-french-just-like-protesting/

yellow vests were protesting for approx 6 months at one stage.

good for them, I say.

Allinall · 30-06-2023 11:11am

They've turned France into a dangerous kip.

I used to love going on trips to Paris or elsewhere in France. Wouldn't go near the place now.

Cordell · 30-06-2023 11:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786577#Comment_120786577

They are not newcomers anymore, but there is quite a visible difference between those rioting now and the yellow vests. And it's not only that their vests are yellow.

suvigirl · 30-06-2023 11:21am

A 17 year old boy was shot dead by police. And it appears that the officers shot him when he refused to follow instruction. An investigation will get to the answers I'm sure, but it's hardly surprising that this has sparked riots?

suvigirl · 30-06-2023 11:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786641#Comment_120786641

No they are not newcomers, they are French and doing what generations of French before them did.

StrawbsM · 30-06-2023 11:41am

Where did they get all the fireworks from? I was following a live tiktok from nanterre last night and they just kept firing them!

I grew up watching rioters pass by my window. 10 year old me would have loved an added on fireworks display.

silverharp · 30-06-2023 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786671#Comment_120786671

so why is it spreading to Belgium lol

Dohnjoe · 30-06-2023 11:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786823#Comment_120786823

Some youths are bored and want to fight police, loot and break stuff - any excuse will do

.Donegal. · 30-06-2023 11:54am

I saw the video. He was stopped by the police. The police were standing by the drivers window. He then proceeded to drive off. The police were not in danger. Unless he had bomb on board or on enroute to kill someone(which doesn’t seem remotely likely) then It was excessive use of force. Possibly he was engaging in petty crime and shat himself IMO. He was wrong to drive off but it shouldn’t have resulted in a bullet at point blank range. He was known to the police but didn’t have a criminal record. If you think this was justified how would you react if your own 17 year old son stupidly and wrongly went to drive off after being stopped?

There was a peaceful protest yesterday and his mother said she has no issues with the police, just the police officer in question. It’s sad that it gets hijacked by thugs who just want to make the most of the situation. There was a small tobacco shop in Paris, the owner a lady living above it. They ransacked it last night and stole most of the cigarettes. I don’t see how that is protesting against police brutality. It’s simply capitalising on the situation to engage in criminality.

Cordell · 30-06-2023 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786665#Comment_120786665

He didn't just refuse to follow instructions, he tried to run away over the policeman. But you're right about not being surprised by riots, it's the new normal now, every time police shoots a violent thug we should expect riots and lootings.

silverharp · 30-06-2023 12:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786889#Comment_120786889

on the basis of diversity is strength, this is a feature not a bug and erm must be good?

PowerToWait · 30-06-2023 12:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786257#Comment_120786257

I suppose it was different when France colonised most of North Africa in the 19th century.

RickBlaine · 30-06-2023 12:11pm

I think a large proportion of these riots have nothing to do with the shooting and everything to do with little scumbags using any opportunity to wreck havoc and loot places. I saw on the news that a small family owned shop was broken into during the night and all their cigarettes stolen. There is no chance that the people who did that gives one damn about the shooting.

timmyntc · 30-06-2023 12:12pm

Huge rioting in cities across France.

Loads of looting, as far away as the pyrenees police stations being set on fire.

Youd wonder is it just social media or are there people in the background stoking the fire when these events happen?

ArthurDayne · 30-06-2023 12:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786257#Comment_120786257

Doesn't take long to for people to pin this on multiculturalism does it?

It's almost like people "forget" (or rather, conveniently ignore) the fact that France has a long history of these eruptions of intense and often violent demonstrations and rioting — all the way back to the Revolution, the Paris Commune and into the 20th century with the May 1968 protests which descended into such violence that the government feared actual war and De Gaulle fled the Elysée Palace.

But no, the social, political and class divides which characterised those episodes can't be pointed to here. Instead, we have to insist that this is all happening because multiculturalism. Right?

suvigirl · 30-06-2023 12:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786889#Comment_120786889

Can.You post a link to where he tried to run over the policeman? Because that's not the video I saw.

And is there some suggestion that this lad was a violent thug?

suvigirl · 30-06-2023 12:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786959#Comment_120786959

That's the thing about these demonstrations, they are always hijacked by bored youths or anti establishment types, just looking for fights with the police and to go looting

thegame983 · 30-06-2023 12:30pm

A cop shooting someone doesn't give you the right to smash your neighbors windows.

rogber · 30-06-2023 12:41pm

It's just France being France.

If a migrant murders a bunch of French people for religious reasons they'll shrug their shoulders. If the police shoot someone who broke the law they'll riot.

I do feel sorry for the kid though, and the police should be punished.

ELM327 · 30-06-2023 12:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786257#Comment_120786257

[deleted - thought this was AH]

RickBlaine · 30-06-2023 12:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787024#Comment_120787024

Yes exactly. The same thing happened in Dublin during those riots.

I haven't been following this French story too closely but there seems to be a genuine reason for protest but that's been overtaken by scumbags causing havoc.

brickster69 · 30-06-2023 12:54pm

I don't think Macron does it on purpose but just does not think about things properly. How on earth can he go to a concert with his wife and start dancing while his country is rioting ?

I would imagine if Dublin was on fire and Varadkar and his partner went off to a concert people would be going crazy. I can't believe anyone would be so stupid to even think about doing it. I reckon at least 70% of the public will be mad as hell about it.

It is like " let them eat cake " i'm off to a concert for a boogie with the missus anyway.

Varik · 30-06-2023 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786859#Comment_120786859

The cop that shot is easily visible leaning in over the front of the car during the stop, he didn't shoot from the side as the car sped off his shot as he was push aside by the car.

if your own 17 year old son stupidly and wrongly went to drive off after being stopped for driving a car reported stolen.

Pythagorean · 30-06-2023 1:05pm

All this chaos because a 10 second video posted on social media. Kneejerk reaction by Macron "unforgivable shooting", probably a vain attempt to appease the mob - no questions as to whether there was any reason (terrorism, etc) just fanned the flames, thereby tacitly giving carte blanche to the disaffected, who used the shooting as an excuse for the ensuing destruction, looting, etc. The rioters destroyed numerous buses (300K each), Trams (2.5 million each), not to mention the looting of high end Parisian stores. I would not be surprised if a lot of these shops pull out altogether. France is becoming ungovernable.

batman_oh · 30-06-2023 1:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786953#Comment_120786953

Must have missed where I said that was ok.

batman_oh · 30-06-2023 1:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787005#Comment_120787005

And when the teacher got beheaded or Charlie Hebdo, that was just due to the French history of demonstrating etc? I was just pointing out that there is a lot of underlying tension there and that it doesn't take much to set off violence on grounds of race/racism etc.

Pretending it's all brilliant and not acknowledging any mistakes/issues that have occurred (like the people that pretend nothing is going on in Sweden) is not helping the whole thing. It might be an idea to actually try to do things differently to get a better outcome.

snowstorm445 · 30-06-2023 1:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786843#Comment_120786843

There were riots after pretty much every Morocco match during the World Cup last December. Even after the one's they won. They really were absolutely desperate to go out and smash things.

The true depth of self-segregation in places like Brussels really has to be seen to be believed. And they know the police pretty much won't lift a finger either - despite their victim complex.

ArthurDayne · 30-06-2023 2:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787358#Comment_120787358

But this is an outbreak of rioting after a teenager was shot by police. Drawing equivalence to this from Islamic fundamentalist violence like Charlie Hebdo and beheadings is quite a stretch.

ArthurDayne · 30-06-2023 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787319#Comment_120787319

I wonder how many in certain sections of the English establishment felt the same way about the young Irish people gunned down in the North by the security services.

timmyntc · 30-06-2023 2:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787798#Comment_120787798

Predominantly the same actors involved - yellow vests protests went on for months without nearly as much carnage as the last few nights. Totally different demographic in that.

Trying to chalk up the French loving a good protest with mass looting, burning down buildings, and gunfire in the streets ( see tweet) is totally dishonest.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1674706815236419585

There is a problem with segregation (self or otherwise) and lack of integration from north Africans in Europe. Not just in France either - this is just a symptom of that bigger problem.

timmyntc · 30-06-2023 2:40pm

More

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1674785095738331141

And my personal favorite... senseless violence begets senseless violence

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1674706531126738945

brokenbad · 30-06-2023 2:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786222#Comment_120786222

He was probably dancing along to "Saturday nights all right for fighting"

Jequ0n · 30-06-2023 2:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787806#Comment_120787806

I hope your thoughts won’t keep you up at night

AyeGer · 30-06-2023 2:49pm

France has made a mistake.

suvigirl · 30-06-2023 3:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787817#Comment_120787817

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65449777

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55201993

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47666245

Looting and criminal damage in French riots, only the first 3 results, including yellow vest rioters destroying businesses in Paris

.Donegal. · 30-06-2023 3:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787319#Comment_120787319

I wonder what must’ve happened to you in life to be so unnecessarily cruel about his mother. Definitely not the thoughts of a happy well rounded person. Her teenage son was shot dead and you revel in it stating at least she has a new purpose now because she failed as a mother. So messed up. Not an ounce of sympathy for her, sadistic.

brickster69 · 30-06-2023 3:20pm

They have machine guns now. I wonder where they got them from ? Probably be a few tanks and anti aircraft missiles arriving soon.

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1674758806901800960

boardise · 30-06-2023 3:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787005#Comment_120787005

Logically speaking though , there's no reason why, notwithstanding any of the rioting tradition outlined, multiculturalism could not be an additional factor leading to a new set of social flashpoints causing contemporary social unrest.

fatbhoy · 30-06-2023 3:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120787886#Comment_120787886

As have Sweden, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, UK and Denmark.

hymenelectra · 30-06-2023 3:38pm

If you have such numbers of a separate demographic within another country, to the extent that it needs it own demographically representative police force, among everything else such as churches, television, food, education systems and so forth, aren't you essentially creating a separate, smaller country?

Russia and Ukraine are at war over disputed land. Is it fair to say that some European countries are basically creating similar dystopian and diffuse landscapes?

It's not as obtuse as it sounds, and this latest riot is just another example of two separate groups of people behaving as two groups of separate people are bound to behave.

Danzy · 30-06-2023 3:50pm

It's like if there were riots in Tallaght after those 3 gangsters crashed their car fleeing from the police. Riots against police now are nearly always to protest something that happened to a real shi7sack person.

France is going to eventually re-assert the rule of law in these areas or abandon them completed. Presumably reduced policing will be the approach by Macron.

France has a big problem on its hands and it is only getting worse. Those rioting will continue to reject French law and society.

brickster69 · 30-06-2023 4:16pm

Macron blames social media and video games as being responsible. He brought in 40K police to quash the problem after the police shot someone dead in his car.

https://twitter.com/F_Desouche/status/1674768667073028097