Woman who stabbed father-of-seven to death in ‘ferocious’ attack jailed for eight years

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-who-stabbed-father-of-seven-to-death-in-ferocious-attack-jailed-for-eight-years/a579791034.html

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StevenToast

Whats your opinion OP?

buried

Absolutely despicable sentencing. Another example of how the many extended victims of extreme murderous lawlessness in this country are treated like absolute dirt. Expect more of the same real soon, and when the hate speech laws are enacted in this kip, you'll have to shut your f**king mouth about it too.

tchaikovski

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741221#Comment_120741221

You’ll likely get a longer sentence for your disagreement with “accepted thinking” than for some atrocities.

Gusser09

6 years for importing garlic. Ffs.

gormdubhgorm

The woman clearly is not right in the head or what ever the phrase is these days. And there was something off when he comment is she was 'truly ashamed' even that sounds like a sick understatement.

I understand the sentencing though as the judge obviously took into account the woman's diminished responsibility as per the Criminal Law Act of 2006.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2006/act/11/section/6/enacted/en/html

But the cynic in me says that poor man won't be getting the hashtag 'he-was-just-trying-to start-his-car' or mass vigils and nationwide mourning unless the genders of those involved were reversed.

buried

Seven children having their Dad murderously taken from them forever.

And this murderous demented filth is back out in eight years.

apache

She was probably trying to sleep. Was it early in the morning? Him trying to start the car and the noise and she snapped.

bucketybuck

Just over a year for each of his children.

But she is a woman and he was a man, so probably no vigils for this one.

Mrs OBumble

Non paywalled article: https://www.thejournal.ie/christina-anderson-sentencing-6098092-Jun2023/

Given her mental health, I'm rather surprised she was convicted at all. Suspect we've not heard the last of this sentence.

YellowLead

I’m sorry but I really struggle to see why there are lenient sentences for people with mental health issues.

In many of these cases (I don’t know the details of this one specially) people have been diagnosed with an issue and they have been recommended either drugs or therapy or both and sometimes even incarceration because they are not equipped to cope in society. They decide nope I don’t want to have treatment and destroy other peoples lives as a result.

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058301697/woman-who-stabbed-father-of-seven-to-death-in-ferocious-attack-jailed-for-eight-years

OP. If you start another thread with just a link dump it will be deleted

If you are not prepared to discuss the topic do not start a thread

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741428#Comment_120741428

You should not be surprised, it is the usual get out of prison early card they play, and it works

YellowLead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741450#Comment_120741450

I never said I was surprised

JP Liz V1

A disgraceful lenient sentence, should be 15 to 20 years at least, a murder conviction

If it were roles reversed, male killing a female, a longer sentence and media frenzy uproar I'd bet

Get Real

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741347#Comment_120741347

She'll be out in 5 years. Maybe even 4. With the 8 years that was handed out today, her time spent in prison already, about 3 years, is taken into account as time already served.

apache

She did have a mental illness though exacerbated by heavy weed use.

Extreme mental illness can and does cause such horrors - but I don't get then why the perpetrator isn't always locked up for life in a psychiatric facility. The extreme mental illness doesn't just go away.

Larbre34

In the circumstances, the correct sentence would have been committal to the new Central Mental Hospital facility in Portrane, for the rest of her natural life.

The Judge might as well have sent her home today, so much of an insult was the sentence handed down, to the family of an innocent man killed in cold blood.

buried

F**k this "mental health" nonsense. A father of seven children was murdered for the act of getting into his car. Seven children. What about their "mental health"?

This country is an absolute f**king virtue signalling dictatorial disaster kip with no semblance of it's own utter hypocritical demented Bull$hit.

Man Vs ManUre

I remember this. And there is a lot of other weird stuff going on with this woman and her husband at the time, they were into all sort of mistress/slave/master sex stuff. Nothing to do with the poor fella who died, but she had an online alter ego for sex stuff, and it was all wiped when this senseless killing happened. Did anyone else see these YouTube videos of her before they got taken down??

Man Vs ManUre

Yes she was a submissive wife and was online, it was all very weird. The husband must have some things to answer as to how her mind deteriorated. There is a lot to this story that could not be told, although I repeat nothing to do with the poor victim, he was just unlucky to chose her path that day. But lot of weird sex stuff going on in her and hubby life.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741547#Comment_120741547

Oh don't be silly. Mental illness isn't a made-up thing and has to be taken into account. And lack of recognition of it helps nobody. In very extreme cases, it absolutely can cause a patient to hear voices, have hallucinations, and believe absurdity with the fullest of conviction. Nobody is saying it makes what they do ok obviously. Nobody is saying they aren't ultimately responsible. Everyone thinks the sentence is a joke - I think she should be locked up for life, yet I also acknowledge her mental illness. This is the very thing which makes her dangerous. You don't have to think just one or the other. Severe mental illness has to be taken seriously so that those with it are given medication to help prevent more of these horrors. And yes most people with a mental illness aren't violent. Most people with a very severe mental illness aren't violent. But a significant few are.

North Korea and Eritrea are dictatorial. This country is the opposite - people get away with far too much.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741428#Comment_120741428

Because legally they are not in control of their actions so therefore it was not premeditated, or intent. That is the key bit in criminal cases like this intent has to be shown. But on the grounds of diminished responsibility such people don't have 'intent'. To be charged with murder you have to have the intent to kill.

But on the grounds of diminished responsibility immediately takes the offence down to manslaughter instead of murder for a start. Then the judge factors in the defendant's level of remorse etc. That is just the way it works.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741708#Comment_120741708

Wish "being a danger to others" came into it.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741483#Comment_120741483

The DPP originally pursued a prosecution for murder, then accepted a plea of guilty to manslaughter -

She was initially charged with murder and pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. In January this year, more than one month into her trial, the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) accepted a plea of guilty to manslaughter by reason of diminished responsibility due to a mental disorder.

https://www.thejournal.ie/christina-anderson-sentencing-6098092-Jun2023/

And much as I detest entertaining the “if the roles were reversed” shyte, you’d still lose that bet -

https://archive.ph/Wnbcy

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741711#Comment_120741711

Yeah it is a difficult one. And she looks so harmless in the picture, just shows that you can never judge by appearances. Or what is going on between the ears,

YellowLead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741502#Comment_120741502

A choice she made. I mean Jesus if you have issues and do things which will make your issues worse and more harmful to others that’s a decision you make.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741686#Comment_120741686

Yes definitely remember this, at the time there was stuff about parking spaces being taken up which she had an issue with, and that's why he was stabbed, then the videos of her came out afterwards.

Absolutely disgraceful sentence, if someone claims they weren't in their right mind at the time then they should be detained indefinitely, as logically there's no guarantee they won't be again.

buried

North Korea and Eritrea are dictatorial. No $hit and If Deputy McEntee gets what she wants in the next few months you can add us to the list.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741721#Comment_120741721

I hate when the "if the roles were reversed" shyte is people's takeaway in relation to an horrific murder. And I didn't like the demonisation of men when Ashling was murdered.

But there are ridiculous sentences handed to both men and women. On another thread here, the rape and "killing" (murder) of Rachel Kiely is being recalled - the... thing responsible served eight years, two armed robberies since, and most recently a hammer attack. Just 8.5 years. Larry Murphy... The leniency as a whole is dismaying.

This crime is unspeakable and she should be locked up for life.

Eoinbmw

What would have happened if the victim managed to fend her off and in the struggle stabbed her fatally? I guarantee you he would be facing a longer sentence! As it happens he is doing life with no parole!

Poor kids must be even more devasted after going through all of that and basically being told their dad's life is worth that sentence!

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741428#Comment_120741428

Seriously? Because people with mental health issues clearly do not have the mena rea to commit the crime. As decided by a jury of civilians.

do you think we.should do away with juries?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741814#Comment_120741814

You cannot guarantee that, self defence is a defence in court.

So you think a jury would convict him if he acted in self defence?

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741831#Comment_120741831

Why not? The Special criminal court has no problem with getting rid of them

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741840#Comment_120741840

Well, personally I have no issue at All with all courts getting rid of juries. Let the judges decide everything. You agree?

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741865#Comment_120741865

No I'd get rid of judges too. Should be a mandatory sentence for anyone who kills anybody, you don't need a judge or jury for that.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741878#Comment_120741878

There is a mandatory sentence for murder.

would you like a mandatory sentence also if you kill.someone by accident?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741766#Comment_120741766

You're acting like a maniac. So you acknowledge that people get away with too much in this country - exactly, therefore "dictatorial" is a stupid thing to call it. Along with all your other buzzwords - what do they even mean? You're the one babbling.

Nobody "plays the mental health card". If they're on trial and it is a factor, then it's brought into proceedings. Should it just be pretended it isn't there? People who don't have severe mental illness get away with far too much also, so it's not like it makes much difference either way.

Where did I indicate I care so much about mental "****" health? I said severe mental illness is something that can cause violence and can't just be disregarded. Are you saying that it can never ever cause a person to be violent? Simply acknowledging this doesn't mean thinking the person should get away with it or that they're not ultimately responsible for their actions.

Where did I even slightly imply I don't care about the mental health of the family left behind? What have I said to indicate I don't? That is a heck of a reach.

Where the flying **** did I indicate I agree with the sentence? Just show me one example please.

I said severe mental illness can cause extreme violence - and that she should be locked up for life. It's not hard. It's perfectly logical to think both things.

You're being stupid, dishonest and bonkers. I mean I clearly said she should be locked up for good, as severe mental illness doesn't just go away.

YellowLead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741831#Comment_120741831

I agree the decision was made within the law. The law needs to be amended to allow for people who purposefully make themselves more of a danger to others

YellowLead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741888#Comment_120741888

There’s a difference between accidents and pure negligence

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741888#Comment_120741888

Nah Id like an additional mandatory sentence that if you deprive seven children of their father you are thrown into a solitary cell never to see the light of day until you f**k off out of here into the abyss.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741793#Comment_120741793

Sh1t as that hate speech thing is, the above is insulting to those who have to live under those regimes. Ireland would be paradise to them.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741502#Comment_120741502

Yeah, I've noticed there are more and more of these kinds of cases, some horrific cases lately in the UK where the parents of a child victim were full on weed users.

Drugs of course can and do cause severe mental disorders and there should be stiffer sentences for those who's schizophrenia or whatever is brought on by them.

screamer

Wrong just wrong. Is there any kind of go fund me for his family dies anyone know? 7 kids and a partner who need support and kindness after their dad and partner was brutally taken from them and the judicial system let them down too. Shameful. The perpetrator should be placed in a mental institution with her mental health problems forever.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741892#Comment_120741892

lol I'm being bonkers, sure lock me up for four years and then I'll hit the streets like this piece of filth, surely that will sort me out, no?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741908#Comment_120741908

So a father of 7 is on a ladder outside your house,.fixing a gutter, you walk out your door, not paying attention, walk into the ladder, by accident, he falls off hits his head and dies instantly.

You believe you should get thrown in a solitary cell never to see the light of day?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741897#Comment_120741897

That already exists.

YellowLead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741945#Comment_120741945

Can you be more specific?

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741941#Comment_120741941

If I climbed up the ladder to the man and stabbed him repeatedly just because he was on a f**king ladder, then yeah, you can do what you like to me. Do it.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120741957#Comment_120741957

Completely different. Murder is murder and has a mandatory life sentence.