The minefield of used cars

murphthesmurf

Spotted this on Facebook market place.

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Take a look at the mileage on NCT sheet 🤔

Somehow loses 100k kms between 2021 & 2022

I messaged the guy, but surprisingly he didn't reply and has since removed the photo from the ad.

elperello

Yes you need your wits about you.

Chippy01

You'll probably find that that is a UK import and someone has their miles and kilometres mixed up.

newmember2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120731250#Comment_120731250

That wouldn't account for this discrepancy it looks.

EDIT: or actually maybe the clocks previously were displaying KM and the owner changed them to display miles two years ago, but the tester is just blindly putting in the number displayed as KMs - so current 'mileage' is actually over 400k KMs.

User1998

Its rare for miles and km to be mistaken once, nevermind 2 years in a row

murphthesmurf

Also why take the picture down instead of just offering the explanation.

I'd wager he clocked the 3 to a 2

bazz26

When you mentioned facebook market place, that was enough for me. That's where the bottom feeders of barter town dwell.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058301388/the-minefield-of-used-cars

Hardly a master criminal given that he put the cert up on the add.

The usual tactic is to give the disc only as this just shows the mileage at the latest test and then direct buyer to nct website to confirm that test is genuine. Result - dodgy mileage readings hidden until next test.

Ken Tucky

Just got a run a round for the wife.

A poxy Citroën C1 which had low milage and the surprise I got when she came home delighted with the NCT cert..

I mean, who clocks a car like that ffs

Anyhow it's mad its not investigated when a discrepancy is so blatant..should be a fail straight away

hoodie6029

I wouldn’t bother doing a Cartell check on a cheap car if it seemed decent. That’s what the unscrupulous people are relying on though. And if they don’t fool one person, they will fool someone.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120732009#Comment_120732009

Clocking is a crime and can be investigated if reported.

NCT would not be the appropriate body to carry out an investigation. They just record what is on the clock on the day

wingnut

I had to replace an instrument cluster on a car I sold and it lead to a loss of milage. Explained it to the buyer it was an old car not worth getting it reprogrammed.

Ken Tucky

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120732068#Comment_120732068

Wouldn't expect NCT to do the investigation but would definitely expect them to report to the relevant body.

User1998

Its not illegal to clock a car and NCT have no authority there.

What are they going to do? Report every single mileage discrepancy they find to the Garda?

If you buy a clocked car its your own fault.

lau1247

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120733155#Comment_120733155

RSA would tell you differently (Link). Though it is more for trade rather than private sales below, none the less, Garda is really the main go to.

User1998

As if the Gardai are going to prosecute a private individual for clocking a car. Like you say, it’s usually only if a trader is caught clocking multiple cars that a case will be made. CCPC won’t interfere unless the person in question is a registered trader

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120732264#Comment_120732264

The NCTS are only recording information. It will be useful to the guards etc in the investigation of a crime in the future.

If I roll back the clock on my car and the NCTS record it, why would they report it? I’ve committed no crime by changing my odo reading.

Henry Ford III

Don't buy without a vouched service history. A stamped book isn't enough.

sligopaul

In an ideal world all cars will have a stamped service history backed up with invoices etc, unfortunately most cars in Ireland are not like that particularly in the sub 5k bracket , you need to buy on condition and with any evidence of maintenance you can gather .

I would say a vehicle check is invaluable , I have just bought a first car for my son and even at the lower end of the market I have used checks and 3 out of 5 cars came back as insurance right offs ( All in UK ) and none were declared by the owners when I queried in initial contact . Some sellers may not know but my gut feeling was the sellers I dealt with did .

I would also say from experience for those who watch YouTube don't waste your time on a Car Vertical check , I found they even missed information freely available from the UK Gov website on mileage

GavPJ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120731879#Comment_120731879

Yip, I wouldn't buy anything from Fakebook market place.

Full of scammers.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120738459#Comment_120738459

Exactly, on my sub 2k cars I expect fully stamped OEM dealer service history including OEM oil and filters every 10k km.

Henry Ford III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120738854#Comment_120738854

Good man.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120738845#Comment_120738845

Not at all, plenty of good cars for sale there.

ZookeeperDub

Its happening all over the place, was looking at cars and seen one advertised as low mileage. 40k miles circa. Clicked into ad and it had leather seats

Now unless it was a couple of hippos having sex during eat of those 40k miles the thing had been clocked and clocked substantially. Asked the guy why such huge wear on the leather if only 40k miles. No answer

griffin100

Spent the last while looking for a car around the €3.5k mark with the young lad for his fist car (he has spent all of the last year saving like mad!!). It certainly is a minefield at that price range. The trick is not to be in a rush to buy and look around and also consider the seller. We ended up getting a Golf from a family who had had it two years and had put it through the NCT only a month ago. All NCT mileages stacked up and the car was fairly clean for one that was 15 years old. The viewing was done with an older chap who seemed sound enough and then his wife and kids came down for her to sign the paperwork so that gave some peace of mind. I'll ignore the tippex on the engine and change the belt soon but can't fault the car.

But we did see some shitboxes though when looking. Tyre's with the threads showing, NCT's with no paperwork to back up the mileage, NCT paperwork showing that the car was clocked (in one case the mileage went backwards twice over the years), cars advertised as being owned by the same person for years but motortax.ie showing a change of ownership 2 months ago, cars with oil leaks that'd destroy your drive, and so on. If my young lad had been on his own he would bought the first wreck he seen with allow wheels and a shiny exhaust, I had to clam him down (breaking his leg when playing a match helped as he wasn't able to drive for ages and that made him relax and wait for the right car to come up)

BoardsMember

Any thoughts on where best to sell a 2nd hand car? I have the task of selling a car for a deceased relative. I tried on DoneDeal but so many messers. And then the odd Dealer (I'm presuming) offering ridiculously low amount for "quick cash sale". I just want a somewhat reasonable price! Is CarZone the best option?

bazz26

Carzone is mainly used by dealers rather than private sales. Unfortunately messers are part and parcel of selling stuff on the popular platforms. If it were not donedeal it would be somewhere else.

If you are willing to take a hit on the price in order to avoid time wasters then try contacting some reputable dealers to see if they would buy it from you. They will probably offer you less than you would get by selling it yourself but it will be quicker and painless. Really depends on the model of car and it's age though.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744632#Comment_120744632

How much are you asking ?

Assuming it's not worth a lot you are probably best persevering with DD.

You could also try spreading the word among family/friends. There's always someone looking for a handy money car.

murphthesmurf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744632#Comment_120744632

What car is it and how much?

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744632#Comment_120744632

You can market it exclusively to. Boardsies here: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058076324/boardsies-own-or-family-friends-cars-for-sale#latest

BoardsMember

It's an i10 2011, 22,000 kms. Automatic. Asking 5k for it.

bazz26

If it's the red one with the NCT expired last month then I think you will struggle to get that money for it. Small automatic used petrol cars are in short enough supply especially one with tiny mileage but they are popular with new drivers. However I think the lack of NCT and strong money may put people off. Also the photos in what looks like a dull garage or under ground car park and dull paintwork will not make it appealing.

I think you need to get it NCT'd, washed, take better photos and price it more realistically to sell it.

This one is a year younger, has a NCT until early next year for not much more:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyandai-i10-automatic-88km/34406502

BoardsMember

Thanks for the advice. That's 1k more and has 4 times the mileage. I'll take the ad down and take better pics.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120746025#Comment_120746025

The test will really sell it.

If you go on the NCT booking site at about 11.30 pm they put up slots that are available.

You may need to go at short notice so have the car cleaned and ready.

bazz26

Your price was 5,200, that one is 5,800 and 88k km is still tiny mileage for the year.

murphthesmurf

I may be wrong, but this car raises a few suspiciouns.

The odometer readings on NCT flip from km to miles, service records similar.

Is it possible to do this in the settings maybe?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-1-series-2008/34526807

newmember2

I dunno about most people here but I'm looking at the seller more than the car most times I'm buying.

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120878045#Comment_120878045

The settings can be changed easily enough on BMWs. More likely that somebody selling it changed it to miles at some time between 2016 and 2018 NCTs to make the mileage 'appear' less to buyers as a sales tactic. If you convert back the mileages between km-mls they do correspond with each other.

The 3 year gap in the service history between 2016-2019 would concern me more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUQAxy-9hM8