General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

Ottoman_1000 · 02-12-2023 10:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447355#Comment_121447355

Not sure if it's Eddie Howe been English or what, but Sky and BT absolutely love Newcastle these days and he always gets a easy ride from the reporters after the game regardless of the results.

CSF · 02-12-2023 11:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447500#Comment_121447500

Brave Ange gets the same from Sky. Super weird stuff.

Ottoman_1000 · 02-12-2023 11:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447552#Comment_121447552

Give them a few month's with Ange, I remember when Klopp first came to Liverpool he got that love all treatment...big Ange will be getting it in the neck by the end of the year. But never good aul Eddie.

nullzero · 02-12-2023 11:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447500#Comment_121447500

It was a bizarre experience listening to the love in for Newcastle in the commentary.

"The revolution" is how they're referring to falling arse first into a pile of blood money as well as the constant refrains about Newcastles injury crisis and how great their support is yadda yadda.

Ultimately Newcastle beat a Manchester United side who have been on course for a bottom half finish all season, beating this United side is like beating Fulham or West Ham or whoever else that might b expected to lurk between 8th and 12 the in the table.

thebaz · 02-12-2023 11:36PM

so many at United dont care , like Rashford , we had a similar problem at Everton , and we are slowly getting a team that cares, should be the bare minimum for me, effort; Rashford, Martial, Sancho have talent , but ther ratio of wages to effort is apalling

ShamoBuc · 02-12-2023 11:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447652#Comment_121447652

If they got paid wages on a ratio to their effort, they'd need to get the dole as they would be broke.

Not sure what Sancho brings, huge money to buy him and serious wages but I've never really seen him do much of anything and he is there a few years at this stage.

Martial - never was and never will be good enough to be leading the line of any big club.

Rashford - was nearly unmarkable last year and always looked like he was likely to score - against any team - but this year he is brutal and gives a proper whiff of a player who wants a transfer. The sheer lack of effort is astounding for a player who has proved himself to be Quality but equally, this season, looks like a player who really should not be starting as he is fairly crap with a bit of an issue - whatever the reason.

Compare him to Maguire, who literally gives it his all, no matter what - and he has been the butt of a many a joke for his deficiencies, but he totally warrants his starting place atm.

CSF · 03-12-2023 12:19AM

Is some of the talk about motivations etc not a bit lazy? The CB partnership is Maguire and Shaw (a left back), the CM partnership is Mainoo (a child) and McTominay. This is the spine of the team. I don’t think any of these people have any real attitude problems but we also know that this is a very bad spine to a team. Right?

Mushy · 03-12-2023 12:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447757#Comment_121447757

Some of it might be, but likes of Rashford a joke. Know only saw 2nd half, but few mins before goal rashford got beaten on the wing, he just huffs and turns around and walks back towards the play. This didn't happen down near Newcastle goal, he was about 10 yards from own box. Guy offers nothing, if he got sent off it'd change nothing

CSF · 03-12-2023 01:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447785#Comment_121447785

Incidents like this get emphasised to a different degree when the team is doing bad though, right? If the team is doing well and creating chances for Rashford, nobody is talking about this. I'm not even defending him really, but I still think the conversation gets blown out of proportion. United have won 5 out of their last 6 league games before today (yes I'm aware it was a friendlier part of their schedule), and today they've lost 1 nil away at a team with an incredible home record who also beat Aston Villa, Arsenal and Chelsea there. And immediately the whole conversation (across the board) goes back to the performative 'what can we do about these United player's attitudes?' conversation. When really if you look at the 2 lineups today, I don't see how we could have expected United winning to be the more likely outcome.

doc_17 · 03-12-2023 07:41AM

TNT have broadcast things from SA in the past. Rio bigs SA up and has been invited out to fights. Maybe there’s some sort of relationship there? And that’s why there’s a bit of a love in? It is a little sycophantic.

theoneeyedman · 03-12-2023 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447837#Comment_121447837

Absolutely.

Didn't see yesterday's game, but this is a poorly assembled squad, going through some injury problems. There are certainly some cultural and disciplinary problems in the club, but it's too simple to put everything down to Rashford and his attitude - he's always been a streaky player. When he's hit, he's very hot, eg after Xmas last season, but when he's not he's not, and there is no in between. He carried himself with a hangdog expression at times that does him no favors but I don't necessarily think he's a bad egg or has a bad attitude.

There are many others that ETH should worry about before him.

CSF · 03-12-2023 12:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448629#Comment_121448629

I need to reemphasise also. This crisis Man United team that everyone needs to be ashamed of, is 2 points behind the Newcastle and Tottenham teams who we can’t remove from our mouth.

TitianGerm · 03-12-2023 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448672#Comment_121448672

If you just look at the table you won't get a true picture of what is happening at United.

They haven't won away from home against a top half team since Oles time. They've also had some seriously lucky wins this season where they've played awfully and someone popped up with a goal from nothing. That reliance on a moments will eventually come up short.

theoneeyedman · 03-12-2023 01:02PM

There is clearly a big gap in quality between the top 3 of City, Arsenal and Liverpool and the next clutch of teams including Villa/Spurs/Utd et al. What United have been able to do is avoid draws, snatched a few wins that maybe were undeserved or clutch wins, depending on your bias/POV. They usually either win or lose, while for example Liverpool have dropped points in 5 games (4 draws).

Going to be a big battle between those sides for positions 4 and 5

Fitz* · 03-12-2023 01:11PM

It was very evident against Galatasaray, and to a lesser degree yesterday, but the attitude in that Man Utd squad is horrible.

Every other player has their hands up complaining when a team mate doesn't pass to them or shoots instead. The captain Bruno the main culprit but also Martial, McTominay, Rashford very guilty of it too. Garnacho is a kid but has mastered it already. Constantly annoyed at each other. No real unity. A disjointed collection of individuals who want to do it for themselves. And it's individual moments that are getting them their wins against Luton, Fulham etc.

Contrast that to Newcastle, who have worse injury problems, and they are a real team collective. I don't like to give Newcastle much praise because of the ownership outfit and diving / faking injuries etc but credit where it is due, Howe has them playing as a unit. They are unable to make subs lately and have the same 11 playing every game but they are working for each other every minute or every game. They value the team over individuals. Antony Gordon the standout atm.

CSF · 03-12-2023 01:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448702#Comment_121448702

All points count the same. If we want to talk about luck relative to those other teams, Spurs literally won a game on the back of a VAR malfunction. Thats a lot luckier than Man United grinding out unconvincing 1 goal wins against average teams.

The narrative weaving here is colossal. United are not a particularly good team at all, but everything around them is discussed in extremes.

Fitz* · 03-12-2023 01:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448841#Comment_121448841

They count the same but there's a big difference between winning at home to Luton and still having to go away to Man City compared to winning away at Man City away and still having to play Luton at home.

CSF · 03-12-2023 02:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448892#Comment_121448892

Yeah, of course but these gains are marginal. Very few beat Man City in the home game anyway and most of them will beat Luton away.

Ottoman_1000 · 03-12-2023 02:22PM

What a free kick from Trent...

ShamoBuc · 03-12-2023 02:41PM

Thunderbolt of a goal, 2 absolute crackers from Liverpool!

CSF · 03-12-2023 02:53PM

Thomas Bramall surely can't ref again at PL level after this. Bournemouth players on yellows running around fouling people non-stop and ref just bizarrely refusing to take the 2nd one out.

ShamoBuc · 03-12-2023 03:56PM

3-3 all 3 Liverpool goals have been real crackers.

ShamoBuc · 03-12-2023 03:57PM

4-3 Trent gets his goal, what a game !!!

Ottoman_1000 · 03-12-2023 04:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121449422#Comment_121449422

Mad game, Liverpool could have scored 10 and yet anything Fulham hit found the back of the net...Could be a long few games for Liverpool with Allison between the posts!

jacool · 03-12-2023 04:35PM

Can someone explain the VAR rule that meant that Brighton didn't get a corner when Colwill didn't handball, but headed the ball behind? Instead Pawson gives uncontested drop ball to Chelsea keeper.