Ranger Raptor road tax.

RayzorT3

Could someone please clarify my query as I'm getting conflicting information online. Is the Ranger Raptor classed as a commercial vehicle? I've been told because of its low payload that it isn't. Yet when I carry out a motor tax check on regs of vehicles for sale in garages it tell me the tax is 333 euro which is commercial rate. I'm looking to perhaps buy a Raptor and tax and insure for private use which means I should be paying the old rate on engine cc 710 euro, as opposed to 2400 euro?

ELM327

The above is incorrect, they are an N1 type vehicle. Therefore they can either be taxed at the goods rate, or the capacity (CC) rates. There are no options to tax an N class vehicle by emmissions.

In short its 333 if taxed as goods or 710 if taxed privately (for the 2.0) or 1494 (for the 3.0 v6)

Whocare

A quick Google say it commercial vehicle and can be road tax as one . But unlike all crewcab you can't claim purchase price vat back

RayzorT3

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This is the conflicting info I'm getting when I Google it.

Whocare

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120651208#Comment_120651208

I think problem is if you buy brand new ford raptor as private buyer you will pay co2 rate of motor tax as your a private buyer . But if you buy second hand one that was originally bought as commercial crewcab and revenue stamp it off as work vehicle and someone then buy it and want to use it as private vehicle you can pay old cc motor tax rate it bit of loophole ie tax avoidance Which is legal

I think that problem. But best bet is go to ford dealer and ask them

RayzorT3

I think you've hit the nail on the head there, it makes sense . Thanks 😊

User1998

I’d agree with the above, so essentially you’d need to buy one that was first registered as a commercial or has since been converted to one

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120653949#Comment_120653949

Not directed at you but that is a ridiculous loophole. I know it was aimed to accommodate people tipping around a berlingo etc but using on these high emissions vehicles is a joke.

Though, like every other loophole that people abuse, it gets shut down soo we or later.

ELM327

It's not a loophole. The default taxation class is by CC. If no other category is matched, then CC is applied.

Since CO2 emissions tax only applies to passenger cars, and no other tax category applies, therefore the taxation of last resort (CC) applies. It's always been that way. It can actually be worse than the emissions tax, and is in a lot of cases of car derived vans taxed privately (think like a 2.0 golf for instance)

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120654174#Comment_120654174

Which is fine when it originated back in the late 70’s after the abolition of Road tax. But 50 years on from that and 15 years since we got rid of it for private car and when many people are using to avoid 4 figure CO2 tax bills on these crew cabs yokes it is time for a rethink.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120654556#Comment_120654556

most people dodging tax with commercials have it on goods rate anyway

You cant get rid of the default option

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120654623#Comment_120654623

We’re way OT from the OP but this is an interesting discussion.

You definitely could change it. There’s emissions data for every vehicle from the manufacturer. The Dept of Transport could create a new table of CO2 rates for vehicles that are currently moving on to CC system, they’d move to the new table instead.

Be interesting to fund how many post 08 cars etc are on the CC system, it might just be a drop in the ocean.

ELM327

There has to be a catch all option, otherwise vehicles that dont meet any criteria will be exempt from motor tax.

Once its 2038 and all cars that were taxed on the CC rate as new are then eligible for vintage tax, an argument could be made to make emissions the default catch all but for now its CC as its easy to measure. Cars from before 2008 often didnt have emissions on the logbook as it wasnt necessary to register the car. I've a few 90's sh1tboxes in the garage and they all have 0 on the VLC in emissions. So they would be taxed at the EV rate!

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120652336#Comment_120652336

Would VRT also be a consideration? As a private vehicle, the new 3l V6 would be subject to the highest VRT rate at 41%, whereas correct me if I'm wrong but the commercial rate is maxed at 13.5%. If so this would have a massive impact on the final price.

Wailin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058298262/ranger-raptor-road-tax

Just be aware you will be unable to get private insurance on a crew cab, only commercial. So you may run into difficulties getting insurance. I looked into getting a pick up in the past also and due to all the hardship involved for use as a private vehicle I didn't bother. Also, I think you might be looking at emissions based tax on newer vehicles, crew cabs included, so you'll be paying the max on a 3 litre (2400).

RayzorT3

I bought a new 110 defender in 2013 and had it insured and taxed private no problems for the 6 years I owned it

goochy

That was steep road tax for the Landy.

Local guy ha swapped 2021 Raptor for a 2023 one it looks the business . Nice sound off it . Am I right in thinking these are V6 petrol ? If so how could anyone use as a work vehicle ?

RayzorT3

It's the old diesel model I'm after not the new one, my pockets ain't that deep 😅 the land rover was over 900 euro a year to tax.

SodiumCooled

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120650952#Comment_120650952

If you are VAT registered you can absolutely claim the VAT back as with any other commercial. I would guess that close to 100% of Raptors on the road are owned by businesses or VAT registered individuals.

Whocare

Saying tax could be 2400 depending on who buy it I guess

Whocare

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120655791#Comment_120655791

Personally there lot of different opinions online in UK and wouldn't be surprised if same here there something about low payload and bik tax

Wailin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120655435#Comment_120655435

They've since tightened the loophole on commercial vehicles used for private use.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120655791#Comment_120655791

While you're probably correct, just wondering if the raptor could be bought by a private motorist, would it be hit for 41% VRT, thereby bringing it up to a €100k in price?

ELM327

That newspaper article claiming 2400 tax is ridiculous, they shouldnt be allowed print without fact checking.

I think the raptor by virtue of its vehicle class is a set VRT percentage and is not 41% but I'm not 100% sure on that one. Although it would seem from revenue that the N1 classification (and thus avoiding the 41% VRT) is based on vehicle classification and the dimensions, both of which the raptor has.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/tdm/vehicle-registration-tax/vrt-manual-section-01a.pdf

SodiumCooled

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120655969#Comment_120655969

I would not be too familiar with the rules in the UK but in Ireland you can definitely reclaim the VAT, it's an N1 commercial. As far as I'm aware the payload does not matter in Ireland (dimensions do), there are commercials with smaller payloads like small car derived vans (even smaller SUV based commercials like a Kuga I'd guess have a smaller or similar payload) and they are all commercial and can have VAT reclaimed. If you look at the advertisements for Raptors they are all advertised "plus VAT" which is a very good indication also that it can be reclaimed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120656232#Comment_120656232

I don't think it matters who buys it, the vehicle is an N1 commercial and that is the regulations it will be held to for VRT and Tax (either flat rate commercial or CC based).