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Would you travel on a plane with no pilots?

  • 17-05-2023 9:14am
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    Registered Users Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭


    Definite no for me, I know they more or less fly themselves these days but there are still 2 pilots in charge. If pilotless planes became the norm, I would never fly again.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 446 ✭✭Baba Yaga


    No

    not a hope,no way...want at least 2 fully qualified pilots up front and maybe even a third stashed somewhere if possible just in case...yes correct,im not fond of flying!


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?



  • Registered Users Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Timfy


    not sure

    Pilotless wouldn't be an issue for me but I would want a flight engineer onboard. The actual mechanics of autonomous flight are pretty much mastered but there is always a breaker needs resetting or an alarm to check or cancel.

    No trees were harmed in the posting of this message, however a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,742 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Yes

    Meant to hit NO What happens in the event of a technical problem ? A serious one ?

    a perfect example is miracle on the Hudson… Without two pilots everyone is dead. With two pilots, teamwork, experience and expertise everyone survived. The aircraft for a time had no power.

    The crew worked as a team, went through the relevant checklists, attempted to restart the engines, failed, they were given options and as I remember proceeding to Teterboro for an emergency landing was offered.

    on evaluating the aircraft’s altitude, speed, lack of thrust the captain decided that wouldn’t be possible…. “ we are going to be in the Hudson “ was his evaluation… they had experienced pilots in the aftermath in simulators recreating the exact failures, with the exact weather conditions and each one determined a safe landing on land was unlikely all be it not impossible given all of the variables and everything happening…

    No, ‘no pilot’ scenario would I’d imagine be smart enough, intuitive enough to bring about such a perfect guaranteed escape…. proof …. The captain started the APU early and proved vital in the later stages of the ditching, as it maintained power for all systems. Sullengerber did this immediately, whereas it was a later task in the checklist for dual engine failure. So human experience, intelligence, intuition to say… to hell with the checklists, training, legal procedure… this is my priority given the absolute myriad of challenges facing us….im going on experience, pure gut instinct and keeping people alive…

    id take that over a computer… that wouldn’t have been capable of that, it would just have been following the flow of checklist actions….

    Pilotless planes will not make flying anyway significantly cheaper for the consumer . The cost of pilots are a tiny cost for airlines when compared to jet fuel, maintenance, procurement of aircraft….and so on….



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,212 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    No

    No, and even if they were just there to observe and not fly the critical phases of flight I would be concerned about the long term degradation of flying skills through lack of experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    No

    That is always the case I think of as well, which makes me think pilotless plane's is a crazy idea. If it ever did become a reality, you would imagine the first crash would put a hault to pilotless planes for a long time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,406 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Leading cause of aircraft accidents is human error.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,751 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes

    Actually, and if we assume they got the facts right in the Sully film, the pilots needed about 30 seconds to recognize the situation and initiate the emergency landing procedures. With a capable AI pilot system and with those 30 seconds being used to glide the plane it would have made it either back to the runway they took off or to an alternative airport, instead of ditching on water.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,406 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    He turned on the APU straight off rather than going through several procedural steps. Another pilot might not have even made the Hudson.

    AI could possibly have made all calculations in a fraction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭nachouser


    AI could possibly have made all calculations in a fraction of a second and decided the most logical move was to eject itself and leave the screaming meat-bags to their fates.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,406 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Sullenberger was also a glider pilot. Definitely added to his ability to land without power.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭rock22


    If you look at this video

    you will see that the expert believes that AI would not land in the Hudson because it could only do what is in its memory and therefore it would not attempt to land on the river.



  • Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Fritzbox


    With a capable AI pilot system and with those 30 seconds being used to glide the plane it would have made it either back to the runway they took off or to an alternative airport, instead of ditching on water.


    How do you know this? What is a  "capable AI pilot system" and how would it work? How would the AI know where to land in the event that the plane could not make it back to the airport - how would its decision-making process work?  



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,541 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    No

    Nope, I would feel much safer on board knowing a human pilot can take the controls if the AI pilot goes kaput.



  • Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver




  • Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭Shauna677


    No

    not a hope 😯



  • Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭Back Home


    AI radar would have seen the birds and and avoided the collision in the first place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Yes

    Yes

    If it is statistically shown over a large sample of flights that completely autonomous planes perform just as well if not better than those with pilots on board then of course I would.

    The real question is when all those saying no here are faced with the choice of paying half the price for a fully autonomous flight will they still choose to pay for the human comfort blanket?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭elperello



    Two human comfort blankets, yes please.

    I really like the idea that there are two people up front who are well trained and well paid.

    I like to think they have nice lives to go home to and they will do everything in their power to get us all there in one piece.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,406 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I'll repeat myself and say human error is the leading cause of aviation accidents.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,140 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    No disrespect intended but you can repeat yourself till you are blue in the face I still want two nice middle class people up front who have a nice life to get back to.

    It might be illogical but if pilot - less planes are my only choice I'll give up flying.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,751 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes

    Look, I'm not trying to take any merit away from him, he is a legend, any other pilot would probably either attempt to land on a runway and crash short, or try the river and crash in the river. But simulations have shown that if those 30 seconds were not used for evaluation and decision making a landing on a runway was possible.

    In any case, even if AI would have botched this one, it wouldn't have caused the rest of the pilot errors which resulted in crashes with no survivor. Human error alone, and technical problems made worse by additional human errors, these are the causes behind virtually any serious accident.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    No

    Human input is the leading preventer of aviation accidents.

    You just don't hear about the thousands of times that a pilot spotted an issue and actioned it before it became a problem.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Yes

    Yes, provided none of the other planes had pilots either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 44 Raysin


    Yes

    No problem. Human error is negated. It's a brave new world out there and there'll be no option but to embrace it.

    Will I fill on the first unpiloted flight? Not a chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    No

    There will be an option of not embracing it. Most people fly for leisure, they don't have to, so I'd imagine a lot of people will choose not to fly, if the only option is pilotless planes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Not yet. I think there's still an advantage to having trained experts onboard that have a personal interest in landing the plane safely.

    Eventually planes will be pilotless and potentially safer than piloted planes but we are not there yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,857 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No

    There's not a single chance in hell I'd get onto an aircraft that had no pilot at the helm. For sure, most of a trip you take on a modern aircraft is handled by the autopilot these days once you get over 5000ft, but a pilot is an absolute necessity for monitoring and overseeing how the aircraft is handling and a good pilot can feel when something is wrong with the plane. I love aircraft, I love flying, but the very idea of putting my life in the hands of some inhuman AI for an entire flight is not something I'd take lightly.

    My old maths teacher's brother was a pilot for Aer Lingus and he once told me if people knew just how many things could go wrong on even a routine flight, they've never set foot onto a plane. It's the pilot that regulates and remedies all of that if and when a problem occurs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,386 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Yes

    All the stuff people say i.e. monitoring the place could be done remotely.

    ATC could also take over the plane remotely if required.

    It's coming and will be a lot safer as most plane crashes are caused by human error. ie the pilots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    No

    Don't think pilotless planes will ever happen.

    But single pilot planes will and I'd be fine with that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,386 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Yes

    Already have them with drones so in time it will go to commercial flights too.

    Cars will be the same too.

    I think people who think otherwise are not understanding the tech and also using dated thinking.



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