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Dublin Bus mobile app being retired

  • 09-05-2023 10:48am
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    Registered Users Posts: 25,308 ✭✭✭✭


    We wish to advise customers that on Tuesday 16 May our apps will be removed from both Apple and Android platforms and from Tuesday 23 May our apps will no longer return real time bus information.

    The National Transport Authority have launched a new TFI Live app which allows you to access real time departure and journey planning information across the Transport for Ireland network.

     The TFI Live app will be the only app for up-to-date reliable information, and we are pleased to be supporting one public transport app.

    The TFI Live app doesn't provide the DB timetables in the same format as the DB app so I'm not happy with this development. In the DB app, you can see all of the departures for the day in one table, TFI Live only shows one departure at a time.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Also the Dublin Bus app shows the fare for a particular journey (though wrong amount), which the TFI Live app doesn't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,531 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    You can still see all of the Dublin Bus timetables at this page:

    Just bookmark that page or add it to your Home screen on your phone and you can continue to see them all directly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,531 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That’s another retgrograde step unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,642 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The TFI app search is very poor on initial use ... you should be able to select whether you are searching for a route. If I search for H1, H2, H3 route stops I get a flood of nonsense results.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    TFI app isn't worth to be in my device. It doesn't pass my minimum requirements and basic expectations.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    The TFI Live app is somehow worse than the previous TFI app, nothing is user-friendly, simple, or intuitive. The DB app has a lot wrong with it, (the map function has been broken for years!) but it is simple to view timetables and search for stops and doesn't throw out ridiculous search results like the TFI Live does.

    I've been bookmarking my routes on bustimes.org and using it more and more, so will just use it 100% when DB app goes away.TFI app is a frustrating waste of time, like most of their innovations and improvements.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    The TFI app is also pretty brutal in giving you a full set of journeys and connections, it always leaves out things.

    The previous iteration when it was Journey Planner was much better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Wrong thread

    Post edited by mikeybhoy on


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Timetables are not live or real time information. A theoretical timetable does not tell me if the bus is actually coming or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Your comment was exactly about the timetables and you got a response about the timetables ;)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,531 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I was replying to someone else who viewed the timetables through the app and wanted to continue to see the timetables, and hence I provided a link to do so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,308 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    I think most people know the difference betwen realtime information and a timetable.

    If I plan on meeting some friends in town next Tuesday at 7 p.m., the timetable will tell me which bus I should aim to get. That's the purpose of a timetable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck




  • Registered Users Posts: 630 ✭✭✭POBox19


    There are other Apps besides TFI and Dublin Bus. Such as Next Bus, Ireland/Dublin Bus Realtime and Moovit which presumably continue to operate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Along with citymapper and plain old Google maps. But from what I can see however, they have yet to adopt the new GTFS API.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    While the new app is pretty dreadful, the big win is really the new realtime GTFS API and the extra data it provides becoming available on Google Maps and all the other apps. Bustimes.org being a great example of this.

    Maybe third times a charm for a proper decent TFI app?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    But if the same info that the app itself uses is being supplied via its API, everything that accesses it are also going to have the same incomplete or incorrect data.



  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Trying to add my saved stops to the new TFI app in advance of this. Search doesn't seem to work half the time, and when it does, it's touch and go whether the real time displays. Feels like a beta test.


    Edit: my fault, make sure you pick the "list" option when searching, "map" (the default) doesn't seem to work.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,531 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The map takes a while (far too long) to switch to your location.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The issues most people seem to have are with the app itself, rather than the data. Poor user interface, poor functionality, app crashing, slow to load, etc.

    While the API data certainly isn’t perfect, it seems to be mostly pretty decent and improving with time. I find Citymapper, Google Maps and Bustimes.org to all work very well with the same data.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    The app is terrible alright, the but data it presents is an issue. When both were live for a period the new app always omitted journeys and connections that I knew existed that the original app returned, and it still omits some. In fact you can refresh a journey within seconds and you can get a variance on the results each time.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    That sounds more like an issue with the app, then the data, sounds like an issue with how the app interprets the data. Have you tried the same journey on Google Maps, Citymapper, etc.? If those apps don’t show the same issue, then it isn’t the data.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Just done a comparison between TFI and Google, and bizarrely out of all trips returned there's only 1 in common, and even at that the time is out by several minutes but I'll put that down to maybe 1 using RTI and the other not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,308 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    I see several people mentioning Google Maps. When I click on a local bus stop, it shows a list of buses and how many minutes before they are due but they're all flagged as 'Scheduled' which suggests the data is based on the timetable. Is it possible to get realtime arrival data for buses in Google Maps?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    From what I can tell, Google maps and citymapper have yet to implement the new updated GTFS realtime api.

    Both currently only show scheduled times, whereas a couple of months ago they would both show actual real-time data



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,658 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Back into the unknown we go! All in the name of having a TFI branded app.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,998 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    TFI Live app is brutal and unusable, imo.

    NextBus Dublin app seems OK as a replacement for Dublin Bus app.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭trellheim


    whatever idiots in NTA are pushing this need to take a long look at themselves and wonder why they are cutting off good working apps because it aint progress. The replacement app is just plain cat and seems to have been designed by a hermit from 1991

    All most people want to do is "stops near me" . Is there a map button ? No you have to press "departures" which give you a choice of a map or a list (said list useless at any scale).

    favourites should be a button at the top and so should timetables .



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I mean the DB app was definitely something out of the past, for instance it still hadn't been updated to work with wide screen iPhones which have been out for 6 years now! GPS didn't work on it for almost two years and there was the time they didn't pay for the Google Maps licensing! Oh and the fares wrong. It was clear that the DB app wasn't really being maintained constantly and properly. Pretty bad for any app to look like that.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the new TFI app, it is terrible, but the DB app wasn't the answer either, it was really poor too.

    And it wasn't done in the name of branding. An app just for DB, isn't much good with an integrated transport system, when we are trying to encourage people to transfer between DB, GA, Dart and Luas. One app that covers them all certainly makes sense, it just needs to be executed on FAR BETTER.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,411 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    I have to say I don't have the same negative experience with TFI Live, using on an iPhone. It loads quickly and while it took me a while to figure out how to save things to 'favourites' (duh, the star at the top right of the screen), it seems to work fine. Search and timetables and journeys seems to work fine for me. Mind you, my needs are simple - usually a single bus journey into town from close to the terminus, with no transfers.

    Just to put it out there that maybe this app is not necessarily as bad as some people are saying? I used the DB app too and to be honest I don't see much of a difference.



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