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The Sunday Game

  • 23-04-2023 10:35pm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭

    Former players should not be analysing games their own county are involved in.

    They try to ignore or minimise serious foul play from their fellow countrymen.

    The naked bias robs the programme of any credibility. Stop it RTE, time for a bit of cop-on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier

    Keegan let himself down badly with the man of the match selection. Mayo couldn't make the semi to play Galway but Keegan was going to do something for Mayo to take away from Galway, he couldn't help himself, McStay was the same way as a pundit, absolutely bitter, he could never give a Galway team any credit. RTE need to reevaluate their pundits, I thought Comer came in off the field after a man of the match performance and then wiped the floor with Keegan and Kavanagh as a guest on the panel with better analysis knowing he had just been shafted by Keegan, he's way up in my estimation and Keegan way down. Think Keegan and Kavanagh feel they are there until the pension.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean

    Pundits covering their own teams really bugs me, same with soccer punditry, in fairness to the likes of Dowling its a unfair situation too as I think some of Na Pairsaigh players in the panel are his closest friends.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    what annoys me is limerick supporters dont whing anything like he dose ,

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭WesternZulu

    Nothing bitter at all about it as Keegan explained later.

    Hope he has moved back up in your estimations.

    Sure MOTM means nothing really on The Sunday Game as Padraic Joyce well knows 😉

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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭WesternZulu

    Keegan admitted his mistake and apologised and you still have it in for him.

    Perhaps it's you then who's biased against your neighbours rather than Leroy.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭crusd

    Jezz, relax there. When did a man of the match ever matter?

    Post edited by crusd on

  • Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Butson

    Dowling was a total joke last night.

    As a Galwayman, I hope Joe Canning calls out any nonsense from the Galway players this summer. If he is not prepared to do that, then he shouldn't be on. Or don't do Galway games.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭keeponhurling

    You’re right and sounds logical.

    but then again, we’ve seen many games with pundits like Daly, Sheedy, Shefflin, Mulcahy , Cyril Farrell or whoever , and they were never really what you would call “cheerleaders” for their own county. At least, it was less obvious or annoying.

    Dowling just doesn’t seem able to get any balance.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean

    In fairness to Dowling 1 difference to him compared to most pundits is he's a similar age to the Limerick players most likely still close friends, most pundits are retired a few years and detached a bit from the current panel, its definitely a conflict of interest for Dowling to cover Limerick games, RTE could help out alot too, for example over the weekend he could have done the Saturday highlights rather than Sunday.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭Gusser09

    Shefflin was a joke that time hogan was sent off. Its not confined to limerick.

    On a different note why do they all look like they are going to their communion or a wedding the way they dress. Way ott.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3

    I might sound cynical here but it may be possible that Dowling was picked deliberately to cover the Limerick game for viewership purposes. They knew well that he would be slow to call out players he played with a short time ago really. It's unfair to him and indeed others pundits who cover games involving their own counties. Last nights pairings should probably be Tyrell and Canning. Most pundits will be slow to criticise their own counties. Shefflin and Tyrell on the Hogan/Barrett incident and Canning on the Ciannan Fahy incident last year are just examples. Outside of his own county's involvement i think Dowling does a decent job on analysing games from a tactical point of view.

    The other option is to get rid of analysis altogether, which may suit everyone involved and just show the highlights of games and leave controversial incidents to the CCCC to solve.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition

    Bizarre as it sounds, getting rid of the analysis in the evening shows would be a great move in terms of hurling.

    A lot of the analysis is pretentious and poorly delivered anyway, it’d be no loss. No problem with analysis on the live show, but it seems to have overtaken the actual games on the evening show. There as much talk shown as hurling. And then you have things like a recently retired Limerick hurler analysing Limerick!

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101

    You could put a turnip in a suit jacket and get similar analysis on any game as Dowling. There's not much better analysts around Limerick at the moment. So, we're stuck with him for insight on the current Limerick team until Mulcahy retires. I think down the line, we'll get much better thinkers on the game from that bunch, such as Hannon, Tom Morrissey, Quaid, and O'Donoghue.

  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg

    This (second paragraph) is the huge issue with the Sunday Game and has been for years - they show too much analysis and not enough action. I thought the less games to show this year (with the Saturday Game being a thing) would allow more time for highlights but instead they’ve shortened the show. MOTD gets the balance mostly right but on RTE at some point the analysis became more important than the highlights. I’m not saying cut out the analysts altogether but the balance needs looking at. If you have a PVR it’s worth taping and watching on delay and fast forwarding through half the talking.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭Borders no.2

    Totally agree but unfortunately there's too many nests to be feathered for this to ever happen. We saw it during the rugby. Somehow we needed half of the RTE sports department and a full team of analysts to go to Rome to help with covering the Italy game.

    With the volume of games on now most people don't have the time or ability to catch everything even if they do use GAAGO so a proper highlights package is essential. If people want more analysis of games there's any amount of podcasts.

    2 minute round ups of season defining matches for teams is insulting to those teams and the competition as a whole.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,605 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    The problem is former players that are too close to the teams playing.

    The soccer can be even worse where they make a point of having players from the clubs playing for the clickbait comments.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,605 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    You could equally say anyone can go watch highlights on the internet now so the show should have more analysis.

    It's their job to get ratings which means competing with podcasts not seeding sections of the fan base to them.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭keeponhurling

    Seamus Hickey has been pretty good so far on GAAGO as a pundit

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭Borders no.2

    Ya but what often ends up happening is more analysis of a game we've already seen during the day.

    They need to do what they can to stoke up controversy etc i get it but personally I had enough of the outrage around Waterford v Limerick by Sunday night and Roscommon v Galway had also been talked to death. Some proper coverage and analysis of other games is what I was interested in personally but everyone to themselves.

    For me the Sunday Game is a lame duck for years now and if I miss it I'm not running to find it online.

    Lots of big stories just glossed over and lost in the fog.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,605 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    Ya given that most of us who were at the live air match can go back and watch the post match on the player maybe they should prioritize the games that didn't get analysis.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition

    Soccer and rugby panels became very popular in RTE about 15 years ago. Hook and Pope with Tom McGurk, Giles, Dunphy and Brady with Bill O’Herlihy.

    I feel that may be the reason there’s a persistence with a focus on ‘analysis’ and there’s also a persistence with certain panellists and at least one presenter, who try to be edgy.

    But it’s long past time to go back to basics, show the matches and don’t bother with the people who have something to prove.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,086 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs

    Anyone mention Dowlings hair yet ?

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... "

  • Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭raindodger

    Was thinking the other night if Joanne Cantwell was a ref how many red cards would she dish out in every match.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭Rosita

    You'd better grin and bear it for another while. The next inevitable stage is the autobiography at Christmas.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson

    `100 times better , i was at a double header in thurles a few years ago , headphones on hickey and pauric lodge were commentating he was excellent , wexford were playing waterford in the all ireland 1/4 final and poor paul morris done his cruciate hickey actually went through the process morris was going through ,

    "hes going to be in pain for about 90 seconds after that the doctors will give him a quick check on the field to determine how bad it is, if you see a player with his hand covering his eyes it means its long term , the pain is gone after 90 seconds but replaced with the emotion that not only your inter county season is over but your club championship as well , thats what i went through when i did mine "

    to me that is fantastic analysis , how has he been overlooked by that whinger

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭cute geoge

    Where is Jacky gone ,

    I am not familar with the new guy but he likeable

  • Registered Users Posts: 705 ✭✭✭MattressRick

    The camogie coverage is scandalous. They show highlights of Galway Cork, then it's teed up that Shane Dowling had something to say on it and he gave a stuttering summary without naming a single player. It was obvious he hadn't a clue what he was talking about.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition

    I enjoyed the hurling coverage last night. Damian Lawlor was relaxed and drew out reasoned commentary from two analysts who came from neutral counties. More of this please.