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Irish Citizens and families to be evacuated from Djibouti and Sudan

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  • 23-04-2023 11:13pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    Two of the most verifiably (UN, Amnesty etc) corrupt, unstable, violent and dangerous countries on earth.

    Irish citizens and families go stay there by choice and when it all goes south…. The good old taxpayers here pay for the defence forces, to go there, risk their own safety and wellbeing potentially, to get said citizens out to safety….

    a six figure or seven figure bill for the taxpayers here…. Just to get them home.

    it might be kicking off just now but those countries are and have been extremely dangerous and unstable for 10 plus years….

    if I’m one of those defence force members I’m not enamoured with that assignment and small talk would be at a minimum for the return journey.

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    Yurt2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Most of those Irish citizens and dependents are aid workers. They're not there on a pub crawl or vlogging for YouTube.

    Don't worry too much, the French air providing the airlift facility. You may send your thanks to the long-suffering French taxpayer.

    Btw, the Ranger Wing love this sort of stuff. It's what they signed up for and take their duties seriously. They wont be p*ssing around giving Irish citizens the silent treatment like you think they will. They were itching to go to Kabul the last time out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,715 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Yet again Ireland's lack of any heavy air lift capability exposed (the only country in Europe without such basic capability). Same in Afghanistan, same in Libya.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Agreed. It's time to get the chequebook out on this front.

    We were extremely fortunate in Kabul the French agreed to let the Ranger Wing hitch to Afghanistan and indeed allowed for space for Irish citizens to be brought home.

    The next crisis we may not be so lucky.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I agree, but those people are not there politically, or for diplomatic work. It’s by their choice…. I’m sure said ranger wing are diligent, professional but I’d be wondering quite frankly what the hell I’m having to enter such a dangerous region for. They have families im sure so I don’t know about itching…..

    if the French are providing fuel AND aircraft free gratis it’s a bonus but the risk and associated costs not covered will be significant enough….



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    ?

    Are you making the arguement that aid workers shouldn't be in potentially unstable or poor countries? Hot take. Where should aid workers ply their trade - Monte Carlo?

    Ranger Wing members spend their time daydreaming about missions like this. They're on their way to Africa right now with a sh*t eating grin on their collective faces. It's what they singed up for, it's what they're trained out the wazoo for, and it's what they wanted to do ever since they were in short trousers.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Great, we will … us the taxpayers can pay for their action man excursions. Great that they have been dreaming about it. 😵‍💫

    I don’t think the citizens of Monte Carlo need help 😉

    unstable and poor countries, no problem.

    inherently violence ridden, corrupt countries… to the extent of the above…..as civilians we shouldn’t be near.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    What's your bellyache? That aid workers are out there doing their jobs? That the Army Ranger Wing are heading out there doing theirs? This thread is silly and you haven't made a single point beyond some garbled angryman boilerplate.

    The travel advice from all Western governemnt foreign ministries was consistent with all other countries in the region until the latest fissure of violence which came out of the blue.

    It's Africa, and every country on the continent is liable to have their securtity situation upended. If you're trying to make some sort of odd point that no Irish or Western civilians in general should be in Africa at all, then make it.

    Until then, the Ranger Wing are on their way, and they'll be extracting Irish citizens who do honourable and important work in a country that needs it. And aid workers will continue to do their decent work in parts of the world you don't think about until it becomes a headline. End of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Agree 100%. Poor post by the thread starter I thought. Thankfully he's not in the defence forces.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You accuse me of ‘anger’ yet…. “This thread is silly and you haven't made a single point beyond some garbled angryman boilerplate.”

    ok.

    My issue is again, civilians, and especially civilians with families including children shouldn’t be entrenched in that situation, for whatever reason… charity, humanitarian or otherwise… then expecting the taxpayers and our diplomatic services / military here to bail them out when shît hits the fan and a pretty bad and dangerous situation deteriorates further as is happening…



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Give over with your "taxpayers" nonsense as if this is a feckless county council misappropriating their budget.

    Here are some facts:

    Irish aid workers work all over the world, often in difficult situations in conditions you don't understand or woudn't live with for a day, are extremely highly regarded in the field and are world-class people; they have made a genuine difference to millions of lives over many decades. They are not a burden or an inconvenient line-item in our national budget if they need help. They bring honour to Ireland with their work and are credit to the nation.

    The Ranger Wing are chomping at the bit to do their job to extract them, and there is no question that the Irish Government would abandon them.

    Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. You appear to be one of them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    I bet the US are balls deep in arming and funding a good chunk of this shithole meltdown.

    Looks like the non serious white people are leaving.

    Fun times ahead!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Wagner Group arming the RSF causing this mess actually.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Ah yes, according to the Twitter historians.

    Dumb times ahead!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    No according to documented evidence and reality. Russia and Wagner is all over Sudan like a rash. The paramilitary General of the RSF was in Moscow just last year glad-handing seeking further Russian support.

    Do some reading before getting smart. Dumb times indeed when people mouth-off without knowing what they're talking about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    It started seriously kicking off in Sudan weeks ago. Aid worker or not, why stay until the point where you need to be rescued? Also, why oh why are we always begging other EU armies to save us? It’s pathetic.

    The other point I want to make is, if the government is responsible for evacuating private Irish citizens from the scene of serious incidents then how would we rescue the 1000s of people we’d need to fetch home from London or New York if something similar happened there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    It is more preferable that the current Sudan government remain in power than RSF, because the current government agreed to let the Russians build a naval base in Port Sudan not long ago.

    Perhaps thats what all this is about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    I wouldn't be so sure that those needing rescuing are Mary and Patrick O'Malley working on an Irish Aid Mission. There wil be a significant cohort who are Sudanese but happened to get themselves Irish citizenship. That element worries me due to the stupid risks such situations give rise to. Those who "Flee" here but spend a lot of time going back where they "fled" from



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    What a load of bs posturing, the french are getting them out. Why the need to sent the crack squad, they're not going to do an Entenbe style raid that's for sure.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,437 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    It’s a huge problem for the UK actually and part of the reason they’re so silent on repatriating private citizens. That and people pretending to be uk citizens when they’re not.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Here we go. Thread has taken a predictible turn.

    To pre-empt, there is no such thing as two tier Irish citizenship. There's not "an Irish passport" and a "nod and a wink, not really Irish passport".

    I'll be plain about it, racist gunge. Thread had a bang of it from the off to be frank.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    It doesn’t matter to me how or why anyone has an Irish passport. I see no reason for the taxpayer to pay to bring back any private Irish citizen who didn’t leave Sudan or any war zone when the sh** hit the fan weeks ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Suck it up. The government has a duty to protect Irish citizens in a crisis, and they're going to.

    Not everyone spends their lives sitting with their thumb up their ar*e in a provincial Irish town. Some people live lives of meaning doing things like working in the aid sector actually doing good in the world.

    They are not, and will not be abandoned. Niall Boylan "taxpayer" bullsh*tter rhetoricians can go to hell on this front. There'll be another "taxpayer" whinge the next day about something else. You're never finished.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,396 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I don't know much about military affairs, but I agree 100% here.

    Given the size of our GDP, given the globalised nature of the world now, given that I hope we aspire to be a serious nation, we should acquire an aircraft.

    I don't follow these issues, but isn't this the second time within a few years that we needed to ask other countries for a lift?

    Yet we attract hundreds of MNCs, and collect 10bn+ in Corporation Tax.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,437 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    that doesnt answer the question. we are not the UK. the post i responded to seemed very authoritative. i was wondering if there was any basis to that authority.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭paul71


    Not really, but guess who is. Surprise, Surprise, the Russians again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Try not to get so upset over someone else’s opinion Yurt. I’ve lived all over the world and I can safely say if I was anywhere and it got a bit hairy I’d have just legged it.

    My only child is in the Middle East and the responsibility to look after her own safety is hers and hers alone.

    Your total dependence on the nanny state to make all your big boy decisions for you is fairly typical of the prevailing wind at the moment.

    You’ve failed to give any suggestion as to why they didn’t make any attempt to leave earlier….



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    When it all kicks off rapidly and there are rival factions roaming the streets armed and jumpy it's incredibly dangerous.

    The only thing to do is hunker down and wait for assistance.

    That assistance is what DOFA and the Defence Forces are arranging with the help of other countries.

    It's the only sensible response at this time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    They failed to "leg it" earlier because the assualt on Khartoum came out of nowhere, and no Western governments were advising evacuation before then.

    Even your genius worldly balls would have been in a vice being squeezed purple. Or are you smarter still than every Westerner in Khartoum? You obviously rate yourself.

    If your daughter lives in the middle east, I hope you don't have to ring the Department of Foreign Affairs some day wondering what happened to her and what they can do for her. I mean that.

    Happens every day in some part of the world, and you know what? The person answering the phone won't respond with "well what the f*ck was she doing there the f*cking eejit?"

    Because they're professionals and know that not everyone is sitting by the pool in Dubai every day.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭griffin100


    If their lifelong dream was to see military action then the made a big mistake joining the Irish army.



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