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When will the Steyr be replaced?

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    #32
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    A new primary weapon for the DF is very much not required.

    You talk about "if", "but" and "when", however a new weapon, plainly for the sake of it, falls far far behind the need to fix the organisation.

    The current rifle doesnt need a fix, and a new rifle wont fix anything.



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    #33
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474146#Comment_120474146

    I'd agree with you SFP. Further I'd argue that given the AUG is reliable, robust, easy to use and recently upgraded.

    That changing it out for another system unless also swapping out to a new service calibre would be a waste of money.

    The US are adopting the 6.8mm cartridge and where the US leads on the ammo front, NATO follows.

    There's far more pressing needs for the Army than replacing the AUG.



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    #34
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    NATO doesn't even follow that quickly. USA went 5.56mm in 1964, British Army only ditched the SLR in 1985, Germans took longer replacing the G3 in the mid 1990s, French went in the 70s but they always followed their own path, not even using 7.62mm for most of the cold war, preferring instead their 7.5mm. (tangent: Air Corps Fouga CM170 Magisters were originally fitted with twin 7.5mm AA-52 machine guns in the nose. Same gun was used as a coax initially on AML60-7s before being refitted for FN MAG).



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    #35
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120460350#Comment_120460350

    If magazine types are really an issue, and unless Irish stocks are oddly low I can’t see why that would be the case, then it seems far cheaper to just replace the stock with a NATO stock. I have one on my rifle. I do admit that the ability to use the same magazine as on an m4 is handy, but I pay for my magazines. Irish soldiers tend not to.

    On the subject of the M4, the thing is basically still the same direct gas impingement rifle as the old M16, somewhat tweaked. Quite serviceable, all those years later, I see no reason the AUG shouldn’t be.



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