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Irelands drinking culture and why is not drinking stigmatised?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...dont worry, we ve moved onto horsing copious amounts of coke into us also, tis all good!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,989 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    MDMA usually.

    I know it is but if taken in moderation its likely the better choice than taking MDMA.



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭Mullinabreena


    I had been drifting away from drink for a good few years just drinking less and less. I think my last drink was around Christmas 2019 maybe before it I can't really remember. I'd say I could count on two hands at most the amount of times I drank in the previous two years leading up to it. I was getting quite good at athletics at the time and was drinking was getting in the way. Years ago I'd never miss a weekend and that was Friday and Saturday night full on and the odd Sunday. Covid probably was the nail in the coffin as I'd have no interest in drinking at home. I had good times when drinking, no regrets but I don't think I'll ever go back drinking. I've a family now and would prefer to spend time with them not dying or tired. I'd get up at 6am on a Sunday now go for a run before anyone wakes up and then spend the rest of the day doing stuff with the family. Life is good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    I'm in my 30's and drink nowhere near to the same extent as I did in my 20s.

    The novelty wears off being pissed and the hangovers are just not worth it. The hangovers are actually the main reason I've cut down. When you've responsibilities beyond yourself you can't spend all Sunday in bed.

    I was out last night for a few drinks with friends in a rural town in the West and the place was dead. I don't think that we as a country drink nearly as much as we did. Ten years ago the same town would have been hopping on the Sunday of a Bank Holiday.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Agreed, the pub trade is dying on what would have been traditional busy weekends, I don't think we have as big a problem with alcohol as some concerned experts think. Doesn't stop them getting air time and forcing their opinions and ideas on us though.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,734 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The pub trade has had this coming for a long time. They'll get no sympathy from me.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,597 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    For the 'I don't want to drink anymore because hangovers are terrible/can't spend Sundays in bed' crowd - have you never tried moderating how much you consume on a night out? It doesn't have to be skulling 10 pints and death the next morning.

    I'd usually have friends over most Saturdays from maybe 7pm to 12am, drink a few bottles of wine between us, then up at 9am the next day without a hangover.

    Would only get hangovers after mad nights out which I'm not into at all anymore. There are ways of enjoying yourself with alcohol without suffering the next day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭live4tkd


    I drink a few pints but the culture definitely has changed. Good luck to those who are non drinkers. I would have seen that stigmatization a fair few years ago now. Not so much anymore the culture I believe the culture has changed with the advent of 0.0% drinks (a good thing tbh), more drink at home, more pubs turning to food, post covid not as many gong out anymore. I don`t see as many younger people out in pubs unless special occasions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I had a friend say to me once that Ireland had two types of people alcoholics and abstaining alcoholics. Ireland has a massively high number of people who are tee-total - but most of those people used to drink heavily until some critical point in their lives made them stop (maybe just family responsibilities took over). Also, the reason you don't see the alchoholics out and about anymore is because they can't afford to be out so they drink at home.

    However watching my grown up kids and their friends and I see a definate change of culture away from heavy drinking - which is great for them in so many ways. I like tyo go out and drink but for me I realized about a decade ago that the fun quickly leaves the building after the third or fourth pint.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    While all that may have had some factor, the biggest impact on people going out for drinks has simply been the cost of doing it. A pint of Guinness will set you back 7 Euro in some places in town nowadays. That's an astonishing price to pay for something like that and I'm not talking about tourist trap kips like Temple Bar either. I, myself, have cut down my drinking in town because of this and I tend to stick to a couple of locals which offer tipple at a more respectable cost.

    But it will get to a price point where I'll just tap out completely. And, in a way, I'm kinda hoping that publicans do push it too far and people stop altogether. At least then the price might be brought down to a reasonable level.

    That's probably just wishful thinking though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭live4tkd


    Would agree to a point but the pub culture has changed since the early 2000s in a big way too I feel. Drink at home, possibly drugs, younger people do not tend to got to rural pubs as much now unless there is an occasion. Absolutely price definitely has not helped either. Also some have not returned to going to the pub post Covid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭Mullinabreena


    Towards the end of my drinking days I'd only have two pints any night, a big night was four pints and that was rare. The less you drink the less your body can tolerate it. I enjoy myself fine without alcohol and I'm just as social with or without it. Sleeping in until 9am on Sunday seems excessive to me but each to their own. I'd have my long run done, shower, breakfast and kids up ready for the day ahead by then. Even after a few glasses of wine you'd be risking it getting in a car the next morning if you wanted to head off with the family for the day. I get it that some people feel they need a few drinks to unwind or socialise, that's totally fine too its just some people move on and don't bother with it as they are more comfortable in themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There were plenty of drugs knocking around before 2000. 🙂

    But, yeah, drinking at home and people not returning post Covid are a thing. But let's look at that. Drinking 8 Guinness at home will cost you around 15 Euro. That's won't even cover 3 pints in a lot of pubs today. And post Covid a lot of publicans took the piss and upped their prices to make back their losses. So, again, we're back to cost being the issue.

    Put simply, if 8 pints in town cost 15 Euro, there'd be a lot more people going to the boozer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,597 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You had me nodding in agreement until your heavily barbed last line.

    'Need' a few drinks'? 'more comfortable in themselves?' would you ever get over yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,597 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I was in Portugal over the weekend and a glass of wine in a beach bar on the resort I was staying was 1.50.

    I bought one thinking it was going to be crap but it was absolutely gorgeous. Far nicer than the standard of wine you'd be getting here in a lot of bars. Was able to get a full bottle of it for 8 euro.

    Pints for 2.50, cocktails for 4.50. I know their economy isn't exactly Ireland but it did put things in perspective here. I'd say the next 7 euro pint of Guinness in Dublin is going to kill me!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Thanks for that Oisin, you just made my day a lot worse. 😡


    😋



  • Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Camera phones and social media have ruined the drinking culture for younger people

    one mistake and it goes worldwide



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,980 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    A few bottles of wine between a few friends is a bottle each that’s not moderation ;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




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  • Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    I was in a very well known bar the weekend on Dawson street, ordered a round of drinks and a Heineken 0.0 for myself, this well dressed 50+ year old man standing beside me said “only fäggots drink non-alcoholic drinks.”

    I wish I had my camera phone out for that! lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,597 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Haha, apologies! Off to the Ryanair site you go!

    One man's moderation is another man's crazy night I suppose! I'd easily drink a bottle of wine on a Saturday and have no hangover on Sunday morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    @o1s1n

    Haha, apologies! Off to the Ryanair site you go!

    Probably cheaper to get a Ryanair flight to Portugal and have a few pints there then come straight home afterwards than going into town.

    @gameoverdude

    Could be 3 bottles between 18 friends...

    Wars have been started over less.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Have a work meeting now so I can relate. Just one word!



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,980 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    could be 18 bottles between 3 friends too.

    One man's moderation is another man's crazy night I suppose! I'd easily drink a bottle of wine on a Saturday and have no hangover on Sunday morning.

    Guess I was right ;)

    Nah I got tired of hangovers, and it's harder to do in the states where they're so bad about motor culture, can't get anywhere from home if you don't drive yourselves. Me and the OH were tired of only one of us having a drink out, felt pointless. Just haven't done it in years, thanks Covid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The missus recently reminded me that I was spending an average 400 pw on sessions when we first met, couldn't get a hangover if I tried,then around my mid to late 30s that suddenly changed,from no hangovers to hangovers from hell that would last 48 hours,now it's the odd ten pint session in Prague when I'm there and when at home a nice bottle of red or a decent whisky,

    But nights out are definitely different being more sober than in my early years of drinking,

    Not a fan of this 00 nonsense wouldn't touch it out or at home ,If you don't want to drink don't have it ,why the need to drink alcohol free versions of beers or Spirits just to fit in ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,090 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Not a fan of this 00 nonsense wouldn't touch it out or at home ,If you don't want to drink don't have it ,why the need to drink alcohol free versions of beers or Spirits just to fit in ,

    I was at an event a few weeks ago where I was not drinking.

    I had a few "minerals" but after a few decided to have a Heniken 00.

    It was a nice change from the fizzy stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭WesternZulu



    The zero pints are great for breaking up the drinking. You can have a few pints and have one or two before going back on the alcoholic pints again.

    Alternatively you'd have a fizzy drink gone in no time. Non-alcoholic drinks aren't a sudden change to the palate either and are of course hydrating so help with any hangover the day after.

    They're a brilliant addition to pubs even if they are ridiculously priced.



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    Fewer things in life confuse me more than the whole drinking 0% alcohol stuff.



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