Intel 13th Gen or AMD5 for PC Build.

slayer91

I am in a PC-build decision dilemma.

I keep swapping between the AM5 platform (7700x or 7950x) and 13th gen (13700k or 13900k) for my new build.

I will likely pair it with a RTX 4070. Up to now all my PCs were intel but from reading different sites, the 13th Gen is 1700 pin and these m/boards could be replaced by the new Intel 14th Gen which will require a new mother board and this could be as soon as end of 2023, leaving me with no upgrade path.

While I understand the AMD5 motherboard could be around for another 2-3 years.

I intend to play games (MSFS 2020) and photo edit 50/50 time wise.

What do you think??

Thanks

K.O.Kiki

Ryzen 7-5800X3D on AM4 is better than either for MSFS. Like, by a LOT.

wotzgoingon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120364455#Comment_120364455

Wouldn't the new AM5 X3D chips not be even better again? I know the 8 core isn't released yet so may have to hold out longer.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120365811#Comment_120365811

Not necessarily; gains from 3D V-cache are lower on DDR5 systems.

There's also cost to think about. 5800X3D + B550 motherboard + 32 GB DD4-3200 is about 550 EUR, or near-enough the rumoured price of 7800X3D. You'd be much better off putting an extra 300 EUR into a higher tier of GPU.

Cuddlesworth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120365890#Comment_120365890

Or keep the extra 300 and 2 years later, sell the old one and buy a new one. Now your system is 40-50% faster in games.

cornholio509

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058288486/intel-13th-gen-or-amd5-for-pc-build

You really have to think more along the lines of you want out of the CPU . Is gaming more important ? or is productivity more important? is the upgrade path important at all ?

I am in the same boat here .my current PC is a shared system runnning 2 clients . 1 pc 2 gamers build for the the laymen here . The reason been that my kids are interested in astronomy and rockets . Since the missus wont give up any of her gaming time the kids are playing on my client . So its kerbal space program on my client , and If its dark and skys are clear . They are taking photos of the moon and planets from the telescope connected to my pc . SO i barely get any time to game on it so i can blow off some steam . That said the missus gave the go ahead for me to build a new PC for myself . So i have been debating the same thing myself . Its probably goping to be 5+ years before i can build again .

I get why the guys are saying the 5800X3d . Its a monster CPU for the price , and the AM4 platform as a whole is getting cheaper by the day . Its is so tempting to go last gen AM4 . That said intel CPUs on the high end are faster and better alround . Yes its more expensive but not by much . That said the sockets for both are end of life . If i build either of them i am stuck with no upgrade path . I had also considered intel HEDT Xeons but motherboards are €1200+ and the CPUs are made my head spin . IT would be cheaper to buy a used 64core epyc rakmount system on ebay .

So i have my mind made up on what i want . Needless to say i am going AM5 build . Its going to be years with the PC so a cpu and gpu upgrade down the road isnt off the cards . A new build will be for a while . I wont go into my choice as its not apples to apples with the ops needs .

SO to finish on this note . Ryzen 7700X Series processor do very well in Photoshop and are 22-30% faster than ryzen 5900x . It even ties with the 7900x . That said the 7950X is faster in photoshop by about another 20% . Not to mention its also faster in games . From what benchmarks i can see X3d parts do have an uplift but only a few percent . However in games they seem to trounce everything . SO i gues what system you build will have to go off what your needs are .

As for the 7800X3d i think rumors are fine but any attempt to simulate it enduced on silicon with different clock and boost speeds . We just ddont know so it maybe worth a wait and see approach . I cant see AMD pricing it close to the 7900 and 7900x cpu . It will just kill the 7800X at launch . I think it will probably be €450 euro like the 5800X3d was at launch . Again AMD could prove me wrong but i dont think AMD will kill a product by pricing it too close to faster higher core count CPUS .

Lumen

CPU upgrade path is overrated IMO. Most people upgrade CPU infrequently enough that they'll need a new motherboard anyway.

Jumping on the latest stuff also doesn't future proof. I was fairly early on DDR5 and the memory that was available at the time has now been superseded by faster, cheaper stuff. Unless I can be bothered to sell my memory and buy new (which I can't) the futureproofing won't make any practical difference.

I think the appeal of futureproofing is an emotional reaction against the reality that all this stuff is all e-waste in a few years anyway.

Just buy what hits the numbers for the games you want to play now.

Cuddlesworth

If I gave 100 Photoshop users 10 different systems with the last 6 years of mid to high spec cpu's and I can guarantee you they couldn't tell the difference. And you could do that with most day to day PC use cases. I think gamespot did 4k "tests" in CPU gaming benchmarks for a good while but it was pretty much just the same result for each cpu until you went to the very bottom of each gen.

cornholio509

@Lumen

Not necessarily so . just as an example anyone who bought the X370 mmotherboards for first gen ryzen CPUs can run the last generation of 5000 series CPUs . All they would need is a bios update . Yes you might give up on some features like smart access memory for AMD gpus and AES enncrytion for windows 11 . Still it is possibly 3 years of extended life after 5 years of running the same CPU if they never upgraded .

I do get what your saying though . People have become accustomed to change motherboards and CPU every 2-3 years . That said i think that was the norm becuae intel was the only game in town for a long time . SO people were used to intel upgrade cycles and that has trickled down to almost everyone .

ALso i feel for you on the DDR5 issue . Thats said it was the same for every DDR generation and those of us who were early adopters always pay the price . i paid the price for threadripper with the machine i spoke about and . AMD dropped it for consumers after changing the socket because intel stopped their hedt line of cpus . No competition AMD has no icentive to make theose CPUs .

@Cuddlesworth

YOu are probably right on the photoshop point . That said its a mixed bag when it comes to productivity . Gaming benchmarks are simple in comparisson as FPS is all that really matters . WHen it comes to photoshop , blender , code compliling and video editing it all down to efficiency of the CPU . THat is way harder for anyone to perceive . Not to mention some programes have a bias towards intel while others are biased towards AMD .

Lumen

There's probably enough data out there about CPU performance and historical prices (see, for example https://howmuch.one/) to find the optimal strategy for a given level of year-on-year expenditure, but I suspect the answer would be obvious: don't buy stuff when it first comes out, and sell it on before it becomes obsolescent.