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Stand up for your cat

  • 08-03-2023 1:41pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 18,740 ✭✭✭✭


    Lot of shade being thrown at cats recently, on BBC 4 this am we had a lad from Fremantle Aus.advocating cats be confined to a ‘Catio’. A patio fenced in for cats!!!

    Also RTE have expressed an opinion that cats are “killers” and should be kept inside during nesting season.

    Cats are very useful animals, keep vermin controlled.I have one myself and only time I saw a rat around the gaff was when I dropped a gherkin out of a jumbo burger and saw a lad chewing on it.

    No sign of the fooker since..defend your animal folks, they do important work.

    Let them roam free.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Your last sentence!!!!! REALLY!

    Oh and by the way birds kill birds and rats kill birds and people kill birds..

    Why? I mean how do you reach that conclusion anyways? Cats have been roaming free for centuries and we still have a healthy small wild life population, NB birds can and do fly... the ones that get killed are weak and the gene pool benefits..

    Yes cats are predators. But not to the extent cat haters aver. And cats need to run and leap and be free too. Oh and remember RATS!

    When I came out here some five years ago, there was a generations old " rat run" by the gate... My cats cottoned on and dealt with it. One of the corpses was the size of a small cat.

    As there are still abundant birds around?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,104 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Feral cats


    Map showing locations of feral cats in Australia

    From Assessing Invasive Animals in Australia (2008) National Land & Water Resources Audit, Canberra

    Feral cats threaten the survival of over 100 native species in Australia. They have caused the extinction of some ground-dwelling birds and small to medium-sized mammals. They are a major cause of decline for many land-based endangered animals such as the bilby, bandicoot, bettong and numbat. Many native animals are struggling to survive so reducing the number killed by this introduced predator will allow their populations to grow.

    Feral cats can carry infectious diseases which can be transmitted to native animals, domestic livestock and humans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭CPTM


    I don't like cats but I'd be devastated if the neighbours got rid of their outdoor ones. It's a bit annoying cleaning up their crap from the grass but it's better than having mice in the walls. They earn their keep as far as I'm concerned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Proof? And probably the opposite... Native critters carry diseases? NB I have been caring for ferals for decades and they are healthier and more disease free than our domestic cats

    NB that post is.... well I guess the opposite of whitewash is BLACKWASH!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    So cats are to blame for us not having any bandicoots around here? Makes sense. 😄



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,104 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The way I read the post is that it referred to a BBC radio report about cats in Australia. Which I heard myself, and I took it a face value. It didn't suggest that cats in Ireland should be restricted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭who what when



    Yes absolutely they are. Its not just birds.

    Mice, rats, shrews, rabbits, hedgehogs, voles. All small mammals really. Frogs, butterflys etc. If its small and moves a cat will kill it.

    Also your list of things that kill birds missed the biggest one - winter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,104 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    You must mean stray cats. The ones destroying wildlife in Australia are proper feral.

    Stray:

    • A stray cat is a cat who lived indoors and was socialized to people at some point in her life, but has left or lost her home, or was abandoned, and no longer has regular human contact.
    • Over time, a stray cat can become feral as her contact with humans dwindles.
    • A stray cat may be socialized enough to allow people to touch her, but she will become less socializedor even feralif she spends too much time without positive interaction with humans.
    • Under the right circumstances, a stray cat can also become a pet cat once again. Stray cats that are re-introduced to an indoor home after living outdoors may require a period of time to re-acclimate; they may be frightened and wary after spending time outside away from people.

    Feral:

    • A feral cat is an unsocialized outdoor cat who has either never had any physical contact with humans, or human contact has diminished over enough time that she is no longer accustomed to it. Most feral cats are fearful of people and are not likely to ever become a lap cat or enjoy living indoors.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,104 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I did not note any hysteria in the radio report about Australia. I knew nothing about the subject, but a little research on the internet suggests that it is a far from trivial issue. I was aware of the damage being done in Australia by other introduced animals, like rabbits and camels.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/australias-cats-kill-two-billion-animals-annually-180977235/



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,873 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I was more referring to...

    "Also RTE have expressed an opinion that cats are “killers” and should be kept inside during nesting season."

    If they'd done any research they'd know its feral cats causing the issue. Which begs the question how do they suggest keeping feral cats inside.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,104 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I ignored the bit about RTE expressing an opinion. It makes no sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Same for me and true.Cats in Oz are decimating the native species of various small animals,some are already extinct.Cats were imported to Australia-most likely to keep the British gentry entertained.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,873 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In the states feral cat actually do have predators birds of prey, Coyote, Cougar etc.

    If you in an area where people are poisoning/drowning them. Its not the cats that are the problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭beachhead


    The states? Is that the United States of America because Australia has states as well.A holiday there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Judging by your avatar pic you look to be a neutral voice on this particular topic!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,873 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think its slightly misleading to say "cats" not "feral cats" even after its pointed out.

    It nothing to do with being fond of cats or not. Its because while you can keep a pet cat inside a feral cat you can't. Its an entirely different problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,488 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I've never heard of a cat killing or injuring a small child.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,873 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




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    I don't get how you could misinterpret my post like that. Your first paragraph I agreed with in my post in question (cats are prey as well as predators - that's why there are catios and cats kept indoors all the time, to keep the cats safe).

    I don't live in such an area, but such scumbags do exist. And the OP expressed objection to catios and cats being kept indoors all the time - but those are preferable to harming or killing cats. And they keep the cats safe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭who what when


    While exceedingly rare unfortunately it has happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭beachhead




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,873 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,873 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    We live in a era when people steal pets. I get what your saying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,873 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Probably also came off ships as I think rats did.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Cats can be very territorial.

    They've been known to smother a new born, which is why it's recommended to bring baby's worn clothes home from hospital before the baby to get them used to the scent etc.

    Now I haven't heard of a recent case that I can remember any way. Probably because there's more awareness of it, but according to my mam there were a few cases in her generation.



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