Urantsetseg Tserendorj murder: 17-year-old sentenced to life with review after 13 years

Pauliebigballs · 20-02-2023 12:58pm #1

Not much of a deterrent for the current crop of scumbags is it

Faugheen · 20-02-2023 1:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058285082/urantsetseg-tserendorj-murder-17-year-old-sentenced-to-life-with-review-after-13-years

Review after 13 years does not mean released after 13 years.

touts · 20-02-2023 1:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058285082/urantsetseg-tserendorj-murder-17-year-old-sentenced-to-life-with-review-after-13-years

Throw in good behaviour and most likely out by 25. Not much of a deterrent indeed but you can be sure the Irish Council for Criminal Liberties will be on Matt Cooper this afternoon pleading for us to "please think of the children" and he should be released immediately.

accensi0n · 20-02-2023 1:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265064#Comment_120265064

17 + 13 = 30

How would he be out by 25? Is it possible to be release earlier than the review date given at sentancing?

Xander10 · 20-02-2023 1:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265031#Comment_120265031

Just reported on news that he is likely to be released after 13 yrs.

No doubt some Legals are working now on having the term reviewed.

20-02-2023 1:11pm

Surprised it wasn't a suspended sentence.

Faugheen · 20-02-2023 1:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265082#Comment_120265082

When has there ever been a suspended sentence here for murder?

I know it’s cool to sh*t on the judicial system because of one arsehole judge, but remarks like the above are such nonsensical drivel.

20-02-2023 1:21pm

"The teenager’s sentencing had been delayed after the trial judge Mr Justice Tony Hunt noted that there was no provision in legislation to allow judges to suspend any portion of the defendant’s sentence."

Ah, it seems that legislation stopped the judge from suspending a portion of it. How frustrating for the judge.

https://www.thejournal.ie/urantsetseg-tserendorj-teenager-sentenced-2-5999737-Feb2023/

touts · 20-02-2023 1:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265071#Comment_120265071

It's already been backdated to when he was 14 so that's three years off straight away. His legal team and the criminal rights groups like the ICCL will make sure to find every loophole possible to reduce that further. If he behaves in prison he will most likely be out by 25.

Faugheen · 20-02-2023 1:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265152#Comment_120265152

It’s perfectly normal for sentences to be backdated when an accused has spent their time awaiting and during trial in custody.

There’s genuinely nothing new there.

Podge_irl · 20-02-2023 2:31pm

He won't be released before the review and may well not be released after it.

You are welcome to have a little shitfit about the criminal justice system without making stuff up.

Tombo2001 · 20-02-2023 2:45pm

Not going to comment on the sentence, or on the person who did it.

Just to say, this murder really saddened me. Somebody who travelled more than halfway across the world, to do a thankless job, to make a better life for her kids; and to be killed in this way. Really really sad.

Pauliebigballs · 20-02-2023 2:50pm

Does the lil rascal get named when he turns 18?

Allinall · 20-02-2023 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265152#Comment_120265152

How is it three years off?

He's been in detention for the last three years.

On what legal basis do you think he'll be out by 25?

TipsyMcStagge · 20-02-2023 2:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265152#Comment_120265152

Wrong its been backdated to when he went into custody which was January 2021 you can't just not count the 2 years he's already done like. He can apply for parole after 12 years so he'll before he can apply for parole.

It is a horrendous crime and ideally he'd do longer in jail but lets not tell porkies here.

L.Ball · 20-02-2023 5:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265132#Comment_120265132

I can't post my thoughts on what should happen to these judges but we wouldn't get much jail time if they can help it.

MayoSalmon · 20-02-2023 5:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265605#Comment_120265605

Exactly pure disgrace of a judicial system we have here.

LIFE no parole....why is this **** difficult to understand?!!

Wanderer78 · 20-02-2023 6:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058285082/urantsetseg-tserendorj-murder-17-year-old-sentenced-to-life-with-review-after-13-years

very little evidence to support that stricter sentencing leads to a reduction in criminal outcomes, i.e. implementing the death sentence would pretty much lead to fcuk all changes in outcomes!

Madeoface · 20-02-2023 6:34pm

Wee scrote contributes nothing but murder to society yet we pay for his incarceration. To be released at an age young enough to carry out more mayhem....thank Jeebus for the loop hole that the judge couldn't suspend anything.

Poor wee lad, never had a chance... blah blah blah. I don't care, he went out with a knife to mug or murder somebody weaker than him.

nullzero · 20-02-2023 6:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266626#Comment_120266626

We've had a very lax criminal justice system for generations now, it has resulted in violent offenders with sometimes over 100 previous convictions walking our streets.

They have no deterrent to stop being violent criminals and they just keep racking up more and more convictions and this has in recent times provided an example to increasingly younger and younger offenders commiting more and more serious crimes.

I'm not sure what jurisdiction the evidence for what you're saying comes from but Ireland has essentially made "career criminal" a viable and attractive career option for a huge number of people.

The only beneficiaries of this situation appear to be the legal profession.

We don't need privatised prisons like America but we do need to make criminal behaviour punishable in some tangible way.

rolling boh · 20-02-2023 6:41pm

When you hear what that s### was up to even around the time of the murder it angers me that he will get out anytime at all pure filth .

Jizique · 20-02-2023 6:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265064#Comment_120265064

The only hope for a proper sentence was if he had picked on a legal eagle or family family member instead of a cleaner

L.Ball · 20-02-2023 7:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266626#Comment_120266626

First of all there's plenty of evidence if you live in certain parts of the country, the law is laughed at and crime and criminal behaviour is accepted, condoned and even celebrated. It's not some secret that you can do what you want and see very little if any jail time, just look at any new story from the courts and see their double or triple digit convictions. Secondly even if that was the case society gets a decade or two break from them, and that's something worthwhile to pursue in my opinion.

JP Liz V1 · 20-02-2023 7:46pm

VM News said he could be out at age 28, life should mean life

Polar101 · 20-02-2023 7:51pm

He had 31 previous convictions. Now a murder plus five other offenses (2 and 3 year concurrent sentences for those).. so is that 34 convictions now?

Can good behaviour be expected from someone like that?

pjohnson · 20-02-2023 7:51pm

At least the angle had his name protected. Such a stupid thing to do.

Ten of Swords · 20-02-2023 7:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265108#Comment_120265108

Closest example I can think of is the killing of Declan Flynn in 1982. The 4 accused were convicted of manslaughter, not murder, and all received fully suspended sentences.

/off topic!

earlytobed · 20-02-2023 7:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267093#Comment_120267093

There's no such thing as "Good Behaviour" in the Irish system, an automatic 25% off every defined sentance.

The only way a prisoner won't get it if they commit another crime in custidy

amacca · 20-02-2023 7:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266729#Comment_120266729

Agree 100%

I'd be unable to put it so reasonably....but when someone trots out the line that no evidence to show harsh prison work as a deterrent I start getting itchy.....its not as if what we've currently got is the solution.

Pauliebigballs · 20-02-2023 8:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266626#Comment_120266626

Every 14 year old gurrier in the country will now know that they can stab a woman in the neck during a street robbery and be out by their 27th birthday with all. They might think twice if it's their 47th birthday!

threeball · 20-02-2023 8:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266626#Comment_120266626

So we shouldn't bother sending anyone to jail for anything in that case, seen as the sentence length doesn't matter.

It damn well matters to the victims family and to the society who have to deal with the scum after they are released. I couldn't give two hoots if he's reformed or not whilst he's in there

Podge_irl · 20-02-2023 9:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267299#Comment_120267299

They will have a review of the sentence, not be let out.

dubliner10 · 20-02-2023 10:21pm

Glad Justice Nolan wasn’t on this case, else he would have just let off the culprit like in the other case a couple of weeks ago.

Damien360 · 20-02-2023 10:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267573#Comment_120267573

The review was requested by the judge as there is no mandatory life sentence for juveniles. Adults life sentence is 14 years. So you could have a case of a adult out before this juvenile for the same offence as the sentence for him is undefined and up to the judge with possibility of appeal of sentence due to no prior guidelines. The review makes the offence similar for both adults and juveniles as regard sentencing so he will most definitely be out at the point of review or they risk a high court appeal on the sentence.

Life should mean life. If you bring a knife to a fight, you know what it can do and the consequences for your victims. Age should not be a mitigating factor. Same with bringing a gun or kicking someone in the head. Utter lack of consequences for previous offenses brought this lad to this point. The law is an ass. Gardai and judges are culpable for getting to this point as well as this lad.

Nosler · 20-02-2023 11:09pm

When you first hear how much it costs to keep someone in prison you think it's a lot of money, 50,000 a year or something?

However when you think about it, it's actually cheaper to keep a scrote in prison than let him out. Someone could easily commit a few dozen crimes a year? Even a low level crime like a broken car window and stolen radio will be 500 euros of damage? Then you factor in the Garda's time, then the courts time, then the lawyers time etc. A habitual criminal will easily cost society a few hundred thousand a year?

I think if someone has had maybe 10 convictions they should be locked up for good... they are obviously not going to change. A lot of people that kill once will kill again when they are let out of prison.

Lock them up and throw away the key.

Nermal · 20-02-2023 11:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267969#Comment_120267969

That cost comes from futile attempts to rehabilitate: classes, psychologists, recreation.

A cell and 2,500 calories a day doesn't cost fifty thousand euro a year.

Faugheen · 20-02-2023 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267731#Comment_120267731

Murder carries a mandatory life sentence.

Stop chatting ****.

Damien360 · 21-02-2023 6:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120268146#Comment_120268146

Not for a juvenile

21-02-2023 6:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266626#Comment_120266626

Longer sentencing means criminals in prison longer which means less reoffending. It’s not about deterrent it’s about getting them off the streets so they don’t do it again.

This scroute should have got 40 years and the bleeding hearts should be ashamed of themselves.

Faugheen · 21-02-2023 6:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120268407#Comment_120268407

Fair point, but there has never been a suspended sentence for murder for anyone of any age. There is zero precedent for it.

foxsake · 21-02-2023 7:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120266525#Comment_120266525

cos he was 14 ffs. some of you with your bloodlust is pathetic . he could be beheaded ISIS style and some of you still wouldn't be happy.

If you want the rehabilitation aspect of justice removed - email your TD instead of raging impotently on a chat room.

a load of mumsnet heroes.

MayoSalmon · 21-02-2023 8:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120268489#Comment_120268489

Bloodlust..the irony.

Little scrote should never see daylight again.

21-02-2023 9:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120268489#Comment_120268489

Are you happy with the sentence? And will you be happy if you cross paths with this lad in about 10 years?

Podge_irl · 21-02-2023 9:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267796#Comment_120267796

Adults life sentence is 14 years

A life sentence in Ireland does not have a defined period. Prisoners are eligible to apply for parole after 12 years, though the average period served is 20 years.

foxsake · 21-02-2023 9:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120268747#Comment_120268747

I think its' fair. Although nothing will balance the loss of life, pain and suffering caused. given there is a review after 13 years I won't meet him in 10years.

But yes - aside from my smart reply - I've no issue with crossing paths , plenty people wandering about Dublin as we speak with various convictions (and those never caught) , how many murderers and rapists are out and about post release? I seem to get by fine with them out there walking the streets , throwing one more on the pile won't matter much.

But the reality is I'm loathed to lock a person up forever cos of something they did at 14. That isn't to see he should be let off to have tea and crumpets with judge Martin Nolan either. There is needs to be a balanced conclusion to this to balance justice , punishment and (hopefully) rehabilitation.