Fg councillor receives death threats for speaking the truth!

Murph85

https://www.newstalk.com/news/fine-gael-death-threats-after-criticising-social-housing-system-1438647

Speaking the truth about many social housing occupants. Honesty in this country would win tons of votes. Peter casey went from one to 23% in the presidential election, by speaking the truth on one subject. Pity that's the last home truth we will hear from an established party for a while... because speaking the truth is strictly " verbotten" by a party that will never win a welfare vote and by our perpetual victim supporting media!

DrivingMrDaisy

In her own words "I shouldn't have said that".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058285062/fg-councillor-receives-death-threats-for-speaking-the-truth

Is that the same Peter Casey that ran in 2 constituencies in the last election and didn't get enough votes combined to get even half way towards a seat in either

that Peter Casey?

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264446#Comment_120264446

What. Spoken the truth? This is the exact problem with irish politics

DrivingMrDaisy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264476#Comment_120264476

Where did i say it wasn't the truth? I said in her own words she shouldn't have said it.

elperello

Any threats directed against politicians are to be condemned.

What exactly is her proposed solution to the social housing problem she has identified ?

893bet

“But some council houses are being held up by an awful lot of people who have never worked a day in their life. Their parents have never worked a day in their life and their children will never work a day in their life”

accurate enough though. Poverty is almost genetic. In a similar fashion to being “middle class” is almost genetic.

Our parents push us to become themselves or slightly better. Those from poorer backgrounds are often playing the short game to leave school earlier to start earning money. But the job choice available then puts a ceiling on life time earnings that is difficult to then break.

In similar fashion to engineer fathers/mothers having engineer sons/daughters, same for doctors/solicitors/ accountants etc.

There are a decent percentage of layabouts who want no better. But equally a larger percentage stuck in a generational rut who know no better.

Solution? Not what we currently have.

Badly Drunk Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264448#Comment_120264448

An awful lot people agreed with what Peter Casey said relating to travellers. They just didn't like him as a candidate in general.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264448#Comment_120264448

I remember the story of some fella that wanted to be President of a country he chooses not to live in........

Murph85

"Solution? Not what we currently have"

Reform the system. The current system fails everyone ...

Quitelife

She’s telling the truth !

She’ll top the pool in her area next time , law abiding people are fed up of those who refuse to work , destroy their communities and get everything for free .

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264534#Comment_120264534

Free education and student grants for 3rd level do a great deal to stop that intergenerational poverty. Hard workers get rewarded for their hard work, regardless of their family income growing up.

The blame lies firmly with the parents for not raising the children properly, the state does plenty to allow for upward social mobility.

Sunny Disposition

Everyone knows the system is being abused by people who have no intention of ever working. Anyone who lives in the real world knows that. That doesn't mean everyone who never works is abusing the system, some people have disabilities. But she is still right, thousands of people are abusing the system. Thousands. And everyone knows it.

It really shows how dysfunctional Irish politics is that those remarks, undoubtedly true, could cause offence or controversy.

Sunny Disposition

Also FF and FG need to start advocating for the positions she's taking, that people working need to be looked after rather than looking after people who could work but don't bother.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264740#Comment_120264740

The really clever way of working the system is to opt in to apprenticeship of a trade and then opt out again to pursue a cash-based career, thereby retaining your entitlements.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264534#Comment_120264534

accurate enough though. Poverty is almost genetic. In a similar fashion to being “middle class” is almost genetic.

you are referring to social mobility, yes? that people born into poverty are much more likely to suffer poverty later in life too? Quelle Surprise!

however, i have a hunch you may have your causes confused.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264728#Comment_120264728

Free education and grants should do a great deal but don't because of reasons you mention in the second part.

They are a great help financially to the average family but rarely pull anyone up out of a sht family because their uneducated parents do their best to foster an outlook that keeps their kids in the gutter. I grew up with a fair few lads who were actively discouraged from even reading a book never mind going to secondary school.

Apiarist

Whoah. The truther politician. Let's blame poor people, that's always popular. The current system may be unfair, but it works. Aisling Moran: "some council houses are being held up by an awful lot of people who have never worked a day in their life". So? Do you want to throw those undeserved layabouts out on the street to beg for alms? If not, you need to house them somewhere. Relocate all unemployed council house dwellers to Connaght? It just won't work -- everyone would claim that they have children in Dublin schools, or an elderly mother to look after, and so on, and they would be right.

So what we have a politician fishing for an attention.

Aisling Moran: "With the cost of living today, you need to be earning more than that to live and yet you have to be under that to be entitled to housing."

Well, duh. The solution is to build many more houses, and the state needs to get involved -- for example, why not have a state credit organisation which would give "mortgages" to working people who cannot get a mortgage from a bank?

Deebles McBeebles

She is 100% right in what she said. So right she's getting death threats.

Multi-generational leeches, usually crime involved in some form, kids let roam feral and free to do what they want. Will never see inside an office other than the dole office. I could name the surnames and housing estates in my locality. No, it certainly is not all social housing recipients, but the dogs on the street know who these people are and there are plenty of them. Numbering more and more with each passing generation as they continue to have kids they cannot afford. It's grand though, the rest of us can pay.

Murph85

Or don't pay. Just leave this swamp!

foxsake

i always wonder what's the game of people who deny that the welfare is a long term lifestyle for a decent size cohort of society

they defend it with such vigor to the point of denying what is plain to see. I think they are fearful that welfare will be scrapped which nobody is actually saying . Welfare should be a hand up not a long term solution.

one thing that kinda amuses me (in a frustrating way) , when we read of a court case in the media some public disorder type of charge the defendant is often on disability ... like the now dead burglar in limerick recently.... like how can you have unable to work let get in street fights, bar fights , rob houses etc... wtf is going on says me

I'm not against welfare but as a tax payer I object to paying it to geebags who never contribute and just leech off society

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058285062/fg-councillor-receives-death-threats-for-speaking-the-truth

speaking the truth is strictly " verbotten" by a party that will never win a welfare vote

No, but the middle-class floating vote that FG is competing with FF and the soft left parties for is allergic to anything 'right wing' and often derives its income from the state in one way or another. FG will never take this councillor's line until it faces serious competition to its right...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264534#Comment_120264534

Educated people have educated kids because they see the benefit of education. They've also gone through the process so send their kids to correct schools, focus their kids on relevant LC subjects, advise them of course choice etc. They can also send their kids to college without the need for another 30 hours work in bars/Dunnes.

I'm from a council estate and have 2lvl 8 qualifications in different sciences. My mother did her leaving cert the same year I did and got her degree the same year too.

My dad worked all the bloody hours he could to make sure that there was money available for all this.

I had friends fail/Drop-out because they were doing 37.5 hours a week in college and almost the same again in part time jobs. No time to research, study, relax. They burned out because their parents could not afford to support them.

My council estate... Let's take a look at my contemporaries (kids older and younger than me I don't know across all houses):

1: Several trademen

2: Trade

3: Don't know

4: Idle wasters

5: Teachers

6: Degrees

7: Accountant

8: Don't know

9: Degree/Trade

10: Think degree

11: Degree

12: Degrees

13: 5 Trades

14: Bar owner

15: Wasters

16: Trade

17: Degrees

18: Trades

19: No Kids

20: Scum of the earth

21: General work

Now tell me. Where is the genetics there?

Can you point out the specific gene loci might possibly be for "Almost genetic"? I mean you seem to have a suspicion that it is a genetic trait.

Because borderline level eugenic conversation would generally be considered in FGs past...

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264583#Comment_120264583

He was a dreadful candidate, I voted for him in the presidential election as I couldn’t vote for the incumbent and the reaction by the media when one of their high ranking sacred cows was criticised , made the choice easy

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264900#Comment_120264900

It’s like pretending that travellers aren’t up to their necks in anti social behaviour, the lie has social value in certain circles

bucketybuck

Do you want to throw those undeserved layabouts out on the street to beg for alms? If not, you need to house them somewhere.

Why do I/We need to do anything? Why am I responsible for some lazy **** that plays the system like a fiddle? I absolutely would throw them out on the street.

And before you poison the well remember that we are not talking about the poor and needy, we are talking about the generational lazy that have never and will never tried to get a productive job, so save the outrage.

I have no problem helping the downtrodden but they need to bring something to the table as well, they need to be actively trying to improve their situation, not just sitting there waiting for the likes of me to prop them up.

TipsyMcStagge

Hilarious this one is an FG member you know the party that has been in government since 2011? If they were going to do anything about this issue they would have done already but it is amusing to see the same braindeads falling for this populist trick as usual no doubt the same type of reprobate morons who voted for Peter Casey.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264985#Comment_120264985

Tell us more about #20!

Deebles McBeebles

Went for a walk in the local park at lunch. Four of them, mid/late 20's, pissed, drinking bottles in between trips to the hedge to relieve themselves in front of families enjoying the amenities. Undoubtedly the recipients of my tax money (always have and always will be). How do I know that? Common sense. Who else is pissed, roaring abuse at random people, at lunchtime on a Monday? No sign of Gardaí as usual. Soon all of Ireland will belong to these drains on society, ably "parented" by the dregs of society.

I will never vote for her party but fair play to her for actually saying out loud what a lot of people think. I'll take that any day over the usual BS you hear from politicians.

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264926#Comment_120264926

There are votes on the right for any party that moves there, so expect FF and FG to go in this direction. Everyone knows social welfare is too generous and people are allowed to stay on it for years without consequences. Likewise, everyone knows the courts are too soft on crime. FF and FGs best hope of keeping SF down is to start being harder (or at least talking harder) on social welfare abuse and criminality.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265862#Comment_120265862

Username doesn't check out...

All work needs to pay more. If you work no matter if you're a cleaner you should be able to afford a home to live in and for bills among other things. People keep saying Social Welfare is generous yet and the people on it are having a great time. If that's the case why don't those people leave their jobs and get generous benefits and free houses!? Because it's a load of ****.

This FG councillor and her party are pro-business at the end of the day. They don't care about the poorer in society. They're also the ones who own businesses and hang around in those social circles. All people who work need a living wage but we have lots of rich companies paying minimum wages and would pay less if given a chance. They'll be the people who are against increasing any welfare payments and would be the ones also against UBI as it'll compete against their crap slave wages instead of raising them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264534#Comment_120264534

Monkey see, monkey do.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265293#Comment_120265293

Stereotypical small time drug dealing wanker. The family which tarnishes an entire area

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265202#Comment_120265202

 it is amusing to see the same braindeads falling for this populist trick as usual

I don't think many of them genuinely believe this outburst from a single councillor means FG have seen the light and will soon be cracking down hard on welfare spongers. It's just a sign of their desperation at not getting their agenda implemented that they seize onn any vaguely right-wing noises coming out of FF and FG, at however insignificant a level, as a sign the tide will shortly be turning in their favour...

BoxcarWilliam99

Not only housing. The health care services too.

All take from the pot no putting in.

Annasopra

I dont agree with her. But nobody serves that kind of abuse. We need to have a decent debate in Irish society about why theres so much abuse and hate and agression on social media.

MayoSalmon

The world doesn't owe you anything I'm afraid. Sooner you comes to terms with that the better.

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267601#Comment_120267601

Let's do that.

We should also have a debate about pretty much exactly what she said.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267296#Comment_120267296

First paragraph was fair enough.

Second paragraph was pretty much all nonsense. Nobody has increased social welfare payments in such large chunks than FG led governments since 2011.

We have among the most generous welfare systems in the World.

And they are also accelerating the minimum wage level to meet the living wage line.

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267547#Comment_120267547

The tide won't he turning. Further welfare bonuses being announced tomorrow. Varadkar is now mr welfare, not worker...

#WelfareCheatsCheatUsAll

SEPT 23 1989

Those free houses and lifestyle you all seem to lust for don’t seem too pretty in Ballyfermot tonight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267672#Comment_120267672

They've increased it over the last few but it's still under the inflation rate so in the long run those people are worse off now. It's also not being raised more or a UBI being introduced for all because then those low waged jobs will be competing with those payments and those companies will find it harder to recruit unless they raise their wages more which they're unwilling to do, It's also another reason why we have around 446 million EU citizens with freedom of movement but yet business groups and the government are importing people from 3rd countries to work in the hospitality sectors among others.

"We have among the most generous welfare systems in the World." I keep hearing people say this but yet they don't want this "generous welfare and free houses"

"And they are also accelerating the minimum wage level to meet the living wage line." In a few years but is that raising the minimum wage to the current living wage now or the living wage in the future? If it's to the living wage now it migntn't be enough in a few years time with inflation. At the end of the day this government is more pro-business then pro-worker and especially those on the lower slave wages.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267782#Comment_120267782

I know that. It's the right-wing types clutching a straws who are taking contributions like this coucillor's as a sure sign that

There are votes on the right for any party that moves there, so expect FF and FG to go in this direction. 

Nosler

Tbh, if you dont work you should really just get a bed in dormitory style accomodation.....

Murph85

Literally incredible that those on poor wages, hundreds of thousands are ignored. They are poor. But what? Because they are working, they are less worthy than the welfare warriors?

Augme

It's a great piece of deflection away from her own incompetent party. Blame the poor people for the housing situation and not the parry who been in government for the last ten years. Like blaming immigrants for everything, people will blindly lap it up. Expert dog whistling for the councillor.

She's 100% correct.

Apparently each time a council house is vacated, it has to be stripped and completely refitted from bathroom suite to tiles to floor coverings and appliances to accommodate the new tenant.

If you are offered a council property you take what is offered or fcuk off and sleep on the nearest park bench.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264834#Comment_120264834

Yes. I want them tossed on the street and all benefits and entitlements reduced to a bare minimum.

When we have people coming into this country, who don't look like us, who don't speak the language but who are willing to hold down 4 jobs to survive, then you know we have an abusive class of folk who refuse to work. If you are Irish born, can get up in the morning and make your breakfast and own a smart phone, you can go out and find a job. Every government agency is there to aid you...it's a question of self-discipline.

Just because I work, have a nice car and can take a holiday does not entitle anyone who refuses to get a job to my lifestyle. Nothing comes from nothing.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120268126#Comment_120268126

So if you can't afford private rentals, you're not entitled to a safe heated house, or to have any disabilities catered for. We should bring back the workhouses.