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Liam Brady: An Irishman Abroad (RTE One)

  • 13-02-2023 10:41pm
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number

    Liked Szczęsny saying he was cold and the staff were afraid of him.

  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number

    Wouldn't blame him if he did a Harry Kane on that penalty in the circumstances.

  • Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady

    Completely changed my view of him, which was of a dry, reserved and remote man.

    Comes across as an affable genuine man. Would love to have a pint with him, similar taste in music too.

  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number

    Not a bad last kick to have.

  • Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,876 ✭✭✭kevthegaff

    Jack Charlton touch of class

  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭patob

    Brilliant documentary, really enjoyable, great old footage and great to hear him reveal a bit of his personality and interests. The Italian stuff was great too as Serie A was the best league around that time. The Jack Charlton story was a brilliant and touching finale. Fair play Liam, perhaps our greatest football export.

  • Registered Users Posts: 386 ✭✭DaithiMa

    RTE get a lot of stick and deservedly so, but that was a brilliant documentary, fair play to them. What a player and what a career he had.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭dublin49

    hard to explain how exciting his career was for an Irish football fan back then.

  • Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,344 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    Came across as a pretty smart guy. Certainly far more open to culture than most of the English lads who went over and still fondly remembered in Italy. Cracking taste in music too.

    The Charlton piece was a great ending.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭kksaints

    Enjoyed that. Really liked the Italian archive footage. My only small complaint was that it wasn't 15 or 20 minutes longer. Would have liked a small piece on his last team in Italy Ascoli and a bit on his managerial career which never got going. But it was still a great watch.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭RINO87

    Chippy is one of the good guys.

    Great watch.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭trashcan

    Hmmm. Not so sure about that. Charlton deliberately humiliated him in his final game. Not so sure I’d be as forgiving as Brady. After 88 Charlton didn’t want him in the team anymore (I always felt he was picking him grudgingly up to that, but he couldn’t really leave him out.) Then he got his injury. As I say, Charlton was finished with him after that, but started him against Germany in a friendly and hauled him off after half an hour “to show the Irish” that he was finished. I was never that much of a Charlton fan, and that was a particularly sh1tty thing to do. He’d have been more honest just not to pick him at all if that’s how he felt. It’s to Bradys credit that he didn’t hold a grudge. Notable that the letter didn’t apologise either.

  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number

    Didn't know he was that big into music.

    Shame it isn't a two parter, would love if it went into more detail.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,344 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    Charlton had nothing to apologize for.

    As Brady said it was 2 men with a difference of opinion about football. Maybe Brady forgave him because he knew there were 2 of them being pig headed. Brady could have actually just tried to do as his manager asked too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭trashcan

    He had though. He deliberately and publicly humiliated him. He admitted as much in a subsequent interview where he said that the Irish don’t give up their heroes lightly, so you had to “show them.” He chose to substitute Brady before half time in order to make a very public point. I don’t know how old you are, but I’m old enough to remember the era very well. As for Brady not doing as his manager asked, he did exactly that for two years in the qualifying campaign for Euro 88. What it boils down to is that he just wasn’t Charlton kind of player and didn’t suit the caveman football that he favoured. Also, Andy Townsend had come on the scene, who was much more Charltons type of player. That was his prerogative as manager, but as I said previously it would have been far more honest of him to just not select Brady for the Germany game if that’s how he felt. Maybe he regretted the way he’d handled it afterwards, and that was the reason for the letter.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,344 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    If Brady done exactly as he asked then he would have been a Charlton type player. Brady admitted himself that he had a problem and arguments about Charltons tactics.

    I think the letter definitely made it clear Charlton regretted how it happened.

    Was surprised he felt regret about his form at Inter. Not sure it was something he was criticized about at the time.

  • Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady

    I remember the time and there was as much petulance from Brady and his supporters at the time.

    Charlton was big enough to apologise and put the hand out and I think Brady's emotion with the letter showed he had regrets about it all too.

    Maybe that should be the last word on it in deference to both men.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭griffin100

    Class player and comes across as a decent man. I was a big Arsenal fan as a kid and remember him, O'Leary and Stapleton ruling the roost at Highbury. I was at Lansdowne Road in 1987 when he scored against Brazil. That was a great day.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭brokenbad

    Great documentary and insight into Italian football back in the 80's - however i thought it just glossed over his managerial stints with Celtic and Brighton, not to mention his RTE punditry and term as assistant to Trappatoni. Could easily have added another 30 mins to cover these aspects of his career.

  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭batman75

    Blissett, Hateley, Jordan, Wilkins, Rush, Cowans, Souness, Francis and Rideout all went out to Italy from England in the 1980s yet it was Liam Brady from Ireland who truly succeeded over there playing for three famous clubs in Juventus, Sampdoria and Inter Milan. Interestingly enough Giovanni Trappatoni sold him twice as manager of Juventus and Inter.

    Brady was a fabulous player with a wand of a left foot. When you consider we also had Kevin Sheedy we were truly blessed. Fantastic documentary by RTE.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,344 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    He makes a fleeting reference to his decision to move in the show and I wonder did he do better than most of the British players then and later because he had moved before.

    He wasn't leaving "home" in the same sense. He also seems a very intelligent and cultured guy which helps in a foreign culture.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭MfMan

    The title, An Irishman Abroad, was a bit of a misnomer alright, as the program dealt with the climax to his international career at home too, rather than just his playing exploits in England and Italy (never mentioned that he also had a season or two with Ascoli.).

    I've never bought in to the whole Jack Charlton 'success to Irish football' scene. He was the first to get us qualified for the World Cups in fairness but the football we played in them was dreadful by and large and we only won one match (Italy '94) on the field of play. In spite of all the furore at the time, I've always felt Mick McCarthy's deeds in 2002 were more impressive and largely overlooked.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,344 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    The great shame with the 2002 team is it took them so long to reach another tournament. They were the most gifted team we ever had.

    Sadly despite it being a huge moment for the country and for me personally Italia 90 was one of the worst World Cups ever. We certainly played our part in that but a lot of teams played horrible football.

    Euro 88 being only 8 teams is the one blows my mind in terms of an achievement.

  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number

    Watched it again, that chipped free kick for Inter Milan was incredible.

  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Tomaldo

    Impressed the way he could speak Italian, did Gazza try to learn the lingo while he was there. I believe Gareth Bale didn't know much Spanish and it didn't go down well, even though he won multiple Champions Leagues and scored a great goal in a final.

  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭batman75

    The way we played under Jack at Euro 88 and WC 1990 was scandalous. I have always believed that midfield is the most important line in any side. Control the midfield control the game, less defending and more chances in attack. We had Sheedy, Houghton, Townsend, Sheridan, Houghton and Whelan to pick from. Also McGrath was another midfield option. Brady was past his best by 88. The aforementioned 6 were better than anyone we have had since except for Keane. All 6 were at the top of their game between 1988-1990.

    Between 1988 and 1990 in John Aldridge we had as good a penalty box player as their was playing in England. Quinn/Cascarino were good target men. Morris, Irwin, Staunton and Hughton were all good/dependable full back options. O'Leary, McGrath, Moran and to a lesser extent McCarthy were solid centre backs. Packie was an outstanding goalkeeper who played one tournament too long in 1994. Peyton a solid back up.

    Jack seemed to think that being in possession left you vulnerable especially when facing your own goal. I would argue his style of play left you vulnerable to losing possession. Yes the two tournaments in 1988 and 1990 were good campaigns but they had the potential to be better than they were had the team being allowed to express themselves. You don't have to play like Wimbledon did to be organised. In a sense those years were a missed opportunity. We'll never know how good we could have been.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭trashcan

    I’d agree. It was minimum risk stuff really. Having the ball in your own half was anathema to Charlton. While this made us difficult for better teams to play against and meant that we got “results” in a lot of those games (draws mainly) in other games where we should have been controlling them and scoring goals, it didn’t come so easy. Drawing away to Luxembourg and with Egypt probably the two best examples. I’ve always wondered how things would have turned out if Eoin Hands team had made the World Cup in 82, when they came so close. That team had Brady Stapleton O’Leary and Lawrenson at their peak. I think they’d have done well in Spain, and could have kick started the boom a lot earlier, but we’ll never know.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,344 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    In Charltons defense no matter what system Ireland play the story of Irish football is losing or draws.

    Drawing to teams we should beat isn't unique to Charlton.