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Stop Paying Your RTE Licence?

  • 12-02-2023 9:31am
    Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭

    I'm fed up with the one sided reporting of RTE regarding certain issues.

    The media seem to parrot whatever politicians say and anyone against their viewpoint is a "far right racist".

    I don't think RTE is serving the Irish people. In fact I think RTE is actively undermining Ireland and it's people.

    Why should Irish people be forced to pay money to an organisation that insults them and their viewpoints?

    Post edited by Beasty on



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    Exactly no TV no licence, simple.

    And as a bonus you can continue to listen to your radio which doesn't require a licence.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭tinytobe

    I honestly haven't owned a TV in more than 20 years now. The reason for that wasn't only RTE or the TV license, but many modern TVs are not exactly user-friendly to handle. Decent sports is also better watched in a pub.

    And a laptop computer and internet is way more to me, many different newspapers and content online anyway.

    I see the same development with Radio as well, internet is simply offering too much and nearly everything from around the world. Why consider radio if outside of Dublin the choice of stations is so limited and DAB+ is enemy number one by lawmakers and society?

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    I wouldn't be without a TV myself but it's just a personal preference.

    The internet is very useful but contains a lot of misinformation.

    You have to be careful and only use trustworthy sources.

    FM radio is very versatile when you are out and about.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭tinytobe

    It sure looks like that. As said, you can always sell your TV. Nothing illegal about that. As people find it increasingly hard to agree with the government, they also tend to disagree with the public broadcaster. This development is seen in nearly every western country.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,242 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack

    Why should Irish people be forced to pay money to an organisation that insults them and their viewpoints?

    Nobody is being forced to pay money to an organisation that insults them and their viewpoints, that’s not the basis upon which anyone is expected to pay for a license for a tv. If they still have a tv and they don’t want to pay a license for it, the easiest solution is just to get rid of the tv. Refusing to pay a licence for it simply means they get fined. If anyone has an issue with the content provided by RTE, there are actually avenues to address their complaints or concerns.

    FWIW there’s plenty more RTE provides and funds than just current affairs programming where the panelists don’t reflect your views, and for the princely sum of €160 a year, they actually provide great value in terms of their overall output. Sure, they produce some absolute eye-watering stinkers too like the Toy Show musical, but they’re trying to cater for a much wider audience than just anyone’s particular personal tastes. There’s always premium subscription content if you want that level of curated content.

  • Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra

    Thats it isnt it. The fact that protesters are trying to intimidate Newspaper and TV outlets in this country really shows up they are far right extremists and hypocrites. On the one hand they claim to stand for free speech. On the other hand they are trying to intimidate journalists, newspapers and broadcasters.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭Ger Roe

    Paying the licence fee is not just all about news and entertainment, or even watching TV. There have been many important national issues exposed and detailed by RTE over the years, that would not have seen the light of day if the organisation did not exist.

    That in itself is worth paying for, even if you never watched TV .... there literally is a much bigger picture to see when discussing the merits of the licence fee, including how many Irish online 'news sources' or social media outlets simply repeat or rewrite reports that originate from RTE.

    As a TV station, I hardly ever watch RTE and there are some 'entertainment' programmes on it that should have been written off at the initial pitch meeting, but I rely heavily on it for a radio service and factual information and I appreciate the service it has provided in exposing major scandals that people in various governments down the years, would have preferred remain unknown.

    Having that level of accountability is worth the licence fee to me. Of course there are those who don't trust it as a news source, but it can not be denied that they regularly lift the lid off issues that you would be waiting a long time for Newstalk or a website to uncover.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,242 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack

    You can go on YouTube and get a view which is more consistent with your views. It’s the complete opposite of an objective view, and even then content creators on YouTube have to adhere to certain guidelines, same as RTE or any other media outlet that publishes content.

    Whether anyone does or doesn’t pay their tv licence has no bearing on what RTE or other media outlets determine is or isn’t in the public interest, they’d publish the same content anyway, while anyone who doesn’t pay their tv license just ends up being fined for having a tv without a licence.

  • Registered Users Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Addmagnet

    I pay for the licence because it's the law.

    I don't watch, listen to, or visit the RTE website because none of it appeals to me.

    This is how it is.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭tinytobe

    I think that there are many newspapers to read which offer a good and excellently researched opinion on things. One doesn't need a public sector broadcaster be it RTE or something else. Lawmakers don't force you to subscribe to a certain newspaper, if you want another newspaper, or pay contribution to a church or a religion you don't believe in. These times are over, but why should this continue for TV?

    However, I do admit the BBC is remarkably neutral on news.

    The rest is pretty simple. If you don't own a TV you don't need to pay. So if you disagree with RTE sell your TV and you clearly don't need a license.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,253 ✭✭✭✭Boggles

    The issue with RTE is that they don't report on issues honestly.

    Could you give a few examples of RTE reports that have been dishonest?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭tinytobe

    There is nothing ridiculous. I have the right to sell my TV and then stop paying the RTE license fee. I am not suggesting everyone should, only those who disagree with the RTE so much that it's worth doing it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    So far we have established that selling your TV is a good way to avoid buying a TV licence.

    All very straightforward and every individual has that choice.

    The problem is if everyone did that there would be no money to run our Public Broadcasting Service.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,403 ✭✭✭Allinall

    How did we know this for decades?

    Where did we get the information from?

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,242 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack

    What’s actually nonsense is the idea that content creators on YouTube are any more or less objective than RTE when the only comparison that can be made between the two is on the basis that they’re both dependent upon revenue from advertising. It’s nothing to do with YouTube content creators being any more or less of a hive mind than anyone in RTE. YouTube and any other social media platforms have to adhere to a set of standards the same way as RTE does.

    Broadcasting standards means RTE are limited in scope in the same way as content creators on YouTube are limited in scope by the three strikes and other restrictions imposed by YouTube and their parent company Alphabet, who don’t care about left or right wing anything, they only care about any threat to their revenue streams.

    RTE choosing not to provide the kind of content the OP likes doesn’t in any way have any impact on the idea of democracy. The OP is free to publish their own opinions and express their own views while adhering to Irish laws which place the same limitations on everyone’s freedom of expression. They’re just not entitled to a platform, and the license fee isn’t to provide RTE with a platform either. Their status as the national broadcaster is what gives anyone in RTE their platform. As you’ve pointed out above, the licence fee isn’t paid on the basis of funding RTE, it’s for being in possession of a tv on the premises. Getting rid of the tv wouldn’t have any impact on RTE, it would simply mean the OP doesn’t have to pay a licence for something they don’t have, and not paying their licence for a tv which is still in their possession only leads to the possibility of creating a loss for themselves in terms of being fined for being in breach of Irish law.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,253 ✭✭✭✭Boggles

    TBF I didn't ask for your opinion.

    I asked for examples, if you are correct in your assertions it shouldn't be that difficult to produce evidence.

    So in your own time please link to these reports that were not honest.

    Also if you could keep it more general, I don't think anyone needs or wants another asylum thread.

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