Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*
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I already did? The article and leaflet you posted don’t say much, nor does the sentence you posted. Ireland is still the country of origin for the vast majority of cases of HIV in Ireland:
The prevalence of HIV in other countries is an entirely separate matter from the numbers of immigrants to Ireland, let alone those immigrants who are diagnosed with HIV. When Irish people and immigrants to Ireland are taken as a whole for new cases, that’s where the 118% rise mentioned in the article comes from:
The HPSC data for HIV shows cases rose from 400 to 874 by the end of week 51 last year, a rise of 118 per cent.
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I didn’t miss it, it’s just not saying much other than in recent years (post-Covid during which movement was restricted), the detection rates of HIV among immigrants is higher than the native population. One of the reasons for that is that HIV rates across all of Europe have risen significantly since 2022, but still we come back to your original point about higher rates of HIV among immigrant populations based upon region.
If the rates of HIV among a population are based upon region, the rate of infection is about 90% of those with HIV are natives of any given region -
If I wanted to engage in statistical figure fudging, I could, and I’d be able to write articles focusing on HIV rates among immigrant populations as though the native population didn’t exist, but that wouldn’t be at all helpful because it would leave people with the impression they already hold that the rise in incidents of HIV are due to increasing immigration. Articles like this, containing factual but misleading statements like this:Only 10 per cent of those diagnosed with HIV in Ireland last year were Irish, the lowest proportion of any country apart from Iceland. Twenty per cent were from eastern and central Europe, 22 per cent from sub-Saharan Africa and 25 per cent from Latin America and the Caribbean.
Your original point about the rates of HIV and other diseases among the immigrant population is valid (and that’s acknowledging that you distinguish between immigrants from wealthy nations and developing nations), but when it comes to the provision of healthcare, education and so on, immigrants even from poverty stricken nations (which might indicate the reason for asylum seekers applying for refugee status in Ireland), are not putting any greater pressure on healthcare, education or other public services. They are far more unlikely than the native population to be able to avail of those public services in the first place.I DO get the point you were making, but it’s just not a legitimate point. It’s no different to the point another poster made earlier about doubling the populations of cities outside of Dublin by 2040 and suggesting that UHL wouldn’t be able to cope if the population of Limerick City doubles to 200,000… ignoring the fact that UHL already serves a population of over 400,000, and most of that population are Irish, not immigrants.
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