Time for a zero refugee policy? - Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24

Ten of Swords · 07-03-2023 11:50PM

@Dyr do not post in this thread again

Strazdas · 07-03-2023 11:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120327681#Comment_120327681

That doesn't contradict the percentages I gave. 12k small boat arrivals from Albania and around 25k people from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Eritrea and Sudan (English right wing press and their readers claim that the latter 25k are all "illegal" migrants, despite those countries being known war zones or refugee hotspots):

BoxcarWilliam99 · 08-03-2023 12:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120325652#Comment_120325652

Can you prove or tell us about these oppressive situations that all of these people are "clearly" running from?

Start with the Albanians and let's do a country by country

Strazdas · 08-03-2023 12:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120327968#Comment_120327968

Many people fleeing those countries are often oppressed minorities i.e. the wrong religion or the wrong ethnic group or the wrong language or discriminated against for a whole host of different reasons.

I saw someone scoffing here recently at the idea that a person could flee Nigeria as a refugee - despite the fact that it has 370 different ethnic groups or tribes and 500 different languages or dialects. Some parts of the country safe, other parts very dangerous.

US3 · 08-03-2023 02:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120327930#Comment_120327930

There is ZERO people arriving on a boat from Afghanistan, they are arriving on a boat from France which is a very safe country. If these people are genuinely fleeing persecution why are they passing through several safe countries to get to UK + Ireland?

$$$$ is the only answer

Luxembourgo · 08-03-2023 07:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120327930#Comment_120327930

No they arrive from France

rgossip30 · 08-03-2023 07:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120324588#Comment_120324588

Indeed Nigeria is a good example .

The low birthrate for German citizens and the shortfall is made up with immigration .

In contrast the population of Ireland was 3.7 million in 1996 now it's 5.1 million. In

Backstreet Moyes · 08-03-2023 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120326665#Comment_120326665

So you defend NGOs, are vocal about protecting irish minorities an NGO point of view and are vocal about the rights of illegal immigrants another NGO point of view.

The defence of NGOs paints a clear picture of your motivation in these threads.

Annasopra · 08-03-2023 12:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120328882#Comment_120328882

I defend human rights.

Backstreet Moyes · 08-03-2023 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329192#Comment_120329192

So why do you support people from countries where women have no rights?

Do you pick and choose which people are deserving of your support?

TomTomTim · 08-03-2023 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329223#Comment_120329223

Do you pick and choose which people are deserving of your support?

That's the thing. If they were an honest defender of all human rights I wouldn't mind statements like that, but all they defend is the ones that suit them politically. That's all well and good, as we don't all agree with all rights, but don't dare tell us you're a defenders of them as a whole in the name of appearing righteous, when we know that that's not the case.

enricoh · 08-03-2023 12:27PM

Watched prime time last night , they were on about the eviction ban. The reporter went to a viewing for a house rental in tallaght. Queues out to the road for it, people living in their cars, mother n her kids on friends sofa, a separated father can't have his kid over as he lives in a van. Many working full time.

Every no limits to refugees politician n media head should be brought down to one of these viewings to see what happens when a country is full.

Patrick2010 · 08-03-2023 02:18PM

You must not have read the memo, housing for asylum seekers has no connection at all with the provision of housing for locals.

72sheep · 08-03-2023 03:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120328882#Comment_120328882

This is Modern Ireland - pouring resources into "protecting" the 0.00001% of Irish citizens and enabling unchecked migration - on the pretense that we're harbouring the 0.0001% vulnerable minorities from other safe countries!! Meanwhile anyone here who notices the 99.999% issues (housing, health) is branded right wing or worse. NGOs are needed as the IT is already overwhelmed with explaining to us how ignorant/racist/... we are. The NGOs employ media studies students to generate "research reports" that explain to us why this top-down international approach is more effective than democracy.

nullzero · 08-03-2023 06:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329192#Comment_120329192

You defend the rights of humans you agree with.

nullzero · 08-03-2023 06:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329310#Comment_120329310

All those people queueing to view that house need to check their privilege I'm assuming.

Backstreet Moyes · 08-03-2023 06:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331206#Comment_120331206

They need to be careful if they complain about the situation they join the far right club.

Just imagine how much worse it's going to get as this madness continues.

The kids who should be the future of this country will have the choice to live at home into there 30 and 40s or emigrate to countries who will benefit from the Irish education system.

cal naughton · 08-03-2023 08:21PM

An astonishing headline,and yet we have some posters here saying the homeless crisis and influx of ip applicants are not linked.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41088361.html

Strazdas · 08-03-2023 11:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331741#Comment_120331741

I suspect something has got lost in translation here. Both Focus Ireland and the McVerry Trust say that not a single Irish homeless person has been displaced from emergency accommodation by a refugee or asylum seeker in the last year. When Varadkar refers to "emergency accommodation", he must be speaking about the state's use of hotels or whatever. Refugees are not housed in official places designated for the Irish homeless.

mcsean2163 · 09-03-2023 12:54AM

It's a sad dilemma. Our neighbour, non-national and here for over 6 years, went through an absolute nightmare trying to find accommodation. It seems to me as much as we would like, it's not possible to help everyone.

The government may need to make hard decisions whether to help it's citizens, (Irish, non national, etc.) or those seeking asylum/ refuge. Not great options but a government policy that means working people living in their cars seems problematic.

keynes · 09-03-2023 03:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120331741#Comment_120331741

"The department first expected hundreds of Ukrainians to move into the rapid build homes in November last year but this was delayed until March, then April and now Mr O’Gorman said it could be early in May."

The article contained the above little gem about the "rapid build homes." Leaving aside the flagrant prioritization of foreigners, the above reads like some kind of joke. I mean, you can go and buy a modular home on the internet this morning, yet these clowns with unlimited money and power can't even plonk a hundred in some field somewhere. If they can't even do that, what are the chances of solving the infinitely more complex Irish housing crisis? And how long will it take them to realize that it's one thing to go to fancy dinners in Brussels and commit to housing the world, but actually doing that is completely beyond them.

Luxembourgo · 09-03-2023 07:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120332512#Comment_120332512

Displaced is an interesting word to use. None were removed from emergency accommodation.

That does not mean AS and "refugees" weren't offered accommodation above Irish people

Strazdas · 09-03-2023 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120333166#Comment_120333166

When I say displaced, I mean literally to 'lose a place'.

Both Father McVerry and Focus Ireland have been interviewed about this recently. They say the Ukrainian refugee situation and other asylum seekers has not impacted on their services, nor are they aware of it happening elsewhere. Any Irish homeless person in need of emergency accommodation gets a place, nothing has changed in the last 12 months. Not sure what Varadkar was referring to in his interview : he must have been talking about the state's use of hotels and B&Bs or something and classing that as 'emergency accommodation'. For example, there is no way hostels for the domestic homeless or family hubs are being used to house refugees.

Nosler · 09-03-2023 01:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329192#Comment_120329192

How about the human rights of Irish people?

I just dont understand why the Irish are meant to put their needs behind the needs of asylum seekers.

cafflingwunts · 09-03-2023 02:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120334284#Comment_120334284

No they don't? I had to live on the street for just under a month when I got turfed out and nobody gave me a place to stay immediately. For context, I'm Irish and this was in 2018.

The_Kew_Tour · 09-03-2023 03:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120334741#Comment_120334741

You could have bought a run down home in middle of nowhere in County Leitrim. Housing crisis solved.

On serious note sorry to hear that. I cant imagine the level of stress that must bring about even for that time. Even for mental and physical health it can't be good.