Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416026#Comment_122416026

I agree on the document checking if that is the case. Ridiculous that it wasn't previously done given the fact you don't get to board a flight without one.

But as another user pointed out, is it not just optics? A person claiming asylum that has no documentation will be sitting beside a person claiming asylum that had a passport on them which was checked as they got off a flight.

They'll both wait for their claims to be assessed, and for somewhere to put them in is found, whenever and wherever that is.

I genuinely believe that the country needs to immediately stop taking in asylum seekers and anyone masquerading as one, until they get a handle on what's here already.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415272#Comment_122415272

The exact opposite happened at the local & euro elections though.

What we're seeing is a small minority becoming hardline and radical over the immigration issue and the mainstream media and political parties are using them as a bogeyman to bolster support for the centre.

So far it's working.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416110#Comment_122416110

How can you stop people claiming asylum though? You still have to keep them somewhere until they're deported and it can take years to deport someone

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415646#Comment_122415646

Same narrative that was given to people in Newtown after the fact. An engagement meeting telling people to deal with it and no concerns taken on board.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416203#Comment_122416203

And don't they just know it. I would call the current situation an emergency, some would disagree, but that's my position. And in an emergency, tough decisions need to be made, and if that's "sorry pal, we're trying to sort our **** out here before we help the planet, you're getting on the next plane back to where you came from"

Or something along those lines. And if it's not an emergency now, it soon will be.

Maybe ROG should put out another broadcast telling everyone to stay put, that he made a mistake after a heavy night out, and that the own door accomodation promised was the gin talking!

Doc07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415263#Comment_122415263

I agree there might not be whole lot of engagement going on in the engagement’

I’m not so sure about these centres transforming the community (assuming you meant in a negative way)

It’s approx 20years ago when Mosney changed from a holiday camp to AS direct provision with approx 900 AS in a sparsely populated area of east Meath and you’d barely notice the place unless you worked there in the actual AS center or loved directly beside it. There has hardly been a blip about the place in 20 years and plenty locals hired for security and catering etc

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416271#Comment_122416271

How can you send anyone anywhere with no documents?

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416346#Comment_122416346

They got here somehow. My approach would be in terms of people coming off a flight. What's a better solution? Just keep taking in the world's problems?

What's the number the country should or can accommodate? Because everything is about numbers. Is Ireland capable of taking an infinite number of people who say "asylum"?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416203#Comment_122416203

The first step is to reduce draws to Ireland, which if we turn our minds back, that's what direct provision was intended to do and was quite successful. DP really started to fail once the Supreme Court granted the right to work after six months. The first step therefore would be to restore that prohibition. I suspect that would be an easy referendum win for the government.

The second step is to dramatically reduce case processing times. There has been no convincing explanation on why cases take so long. Even before the system was overwhelmed it was taking 18months for the first determination. People should be able to present their case in a matter of d weeks on arrival and have a determination. Appeals should only be on the grounds of process and should need to be able to demonstrate a case before it is accepted.

Finally deportations are something of a red herring but they are needed. If you are undocumented though, it is extremely difficult to live here. Once unsuccessful, most will head back to the UK.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416096#Comment_122416096

You're so right it's an amazing place for the migrant refugees, with the local area already being so multi-cultural, with access to nearby Mosques, plenty of daily activities to suit 500 men during the day in a half vacant industrial estate. Super!

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416346#Comment_122416346

How? Well according to the law you can indeed send someone with no documents to Prison as it's an offence to arrive into the country without them..

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416440#Comment_122416440

I'd also like to see detention centres being set up. Need to make it unattractive for scammers to come here. If their asylum is rejected they either cooperate with the deportation process or must stay in a detention centre. No roaming the country freely.

angel eyes 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416096#Comment_122416096

What about access to local GP services. One of the more moderate protesters in Coolock said that you have to wait a month for access to a local GP. Perhaps the Department have a specialised GP mobile service for the IPAs, it wouldn't surprise me. Plenty of professionals and NGOs are getting a great deal from this lucrative industry from what I can see.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416514#Comment_122416514

A friend of my partners is a GP in sligo and works pro bono a couple of times a week with IPAS people, not everyone does it for the money

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416499#Comment_122416499

Actually that Coolock factory would be a good place to house asylum seekers while their claim is being assessed. No leaving the centre until their claim is being finally assessed, no endless appeals.
We’re fulfilling our “international obligations “, local NGOS can’t complain as we are supplying accommodation. If turned down then will have to leave the centre, no more Government support, ideally deported.

Would be interesting to see how many arrive once word gets out that coming to Ireland means life in a factory or similar centre.

angel eyes 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416532#Comment_122416532

That doesn't invalidate my point.

The Department may have engaged some health professionals and rely on support from volunteers like your friend. But that doesn't help the local people in Coolock who don't necessarily have powerful contacts or local representatives that will stand up for them that the Ballsbridge concerned residents did. Where is the concern for their access to services?

Ivana Bacik and Hazel Chu were quick of the mark to move the asylum seekers on in Ballsbridge, and barriers were arranged within days, which have cost the tax payer €125,000 to date.

The only TD that has spoken relatively proactively about the Coolock issue is Mary Lou McDonald but I remain very sceptical on whether her policy ideas about increasing engagement and introducing audits of local services will even happen and what use they will be.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416744#Comment_122416744

there are lots of migrants currently camping on the shelbourne road in d4, you'll be pleased to hear, i walked past a camp of about 20 tents yesterday. so more than coolock is currently hosting.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416445#Comment_122416445

There's literally a Leisureplex and a cinema across the road with multiple parks and a football club nearby.

If that's not a perfect site then describe what and where you think is better.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416499#Comment_122416499

Yeah it sounds harsh but the nature of the crisis has brought us to this point

”Oh you suddenly have lost your passport and have amnesia as to where you’re from and where you’ve come from, and would like to seek asylum?”

”Grand, you will be residing in this detention centre until a decision has been reached on your case - if at any point you would like to reconsider your claim you may avail of deportation at your convenience”

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-immigration-coolock-6444119-Jul2024/

SF continuing to bottle it

Sitting the fence on both sides such that nobody will be happy with them

The logical conclusion of her point is that asylum seekers in the country a wet week will be getting to live in nicer areas than tax payers and can avail of all public services at the cost of said tax payer.

Seems fair.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416066#Comment_122416066

It's a group of people arriving to the realisation that the only identity they actually care about is their white identity and everything else is the facade.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416780#Comment_122416780

Who's going to pay for these detention centres and where will we put them?

I think a fair estimate would be to assume it would cost at least three times as much to kept somebody detained.

And where will we get all the security personnel to work these centers?

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416767#Comment_122416767

What part of D4 are they in? If it’s near the Ballsbridge end they’ll be moved on, in Ringsend they’ll stay until the locals move them on

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122415665#Comment_122415665

They can earn a lot more in the oil rich states.

Migration is a complex issue.

I propose border controls and detention centres to stop the doctors leaving.

Patrick2010

Matt Cooper on now disagreeing with the idea of safe countries given that there could be non safe areas in these countries so there’s no point in naming safe countries, I give up!

Gamergurll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416778#Comment_122416778

At 38.50 a week where are they getting the money for these activities? And surely these same repeated activities each day would get boring quickly

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416847#Comment_122416847

Who’s going to pay? Are you trying to raise cost as a reasonable factor not to do it when we are already fücking away tax payer funds into the billions on the current system?

There’s a number of “accommodation centres” planned around the country - there were initially meant to be 6 but last I heard that’s been upped to 30. These centres can now be detention centres instead. The centres were going to have security regardless so nothing new there in terms of staffing required.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416920#Comment_122416920

You really think the cost would be comparable?

I'd suggest you go have a look at what Australia's detention centres cost to run.

Downlinz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122416905#Comment_122416905

They would most likely be looking for work once permitted so it's only for a few months.

If not there, where do you think is more suitable?

MegamanBoo

Besides, people in detention centres are still going to require services, drs, dentists, nurses etc, aren't they?

Will the children go in detention centres too?