Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122392808#Comment_122392808

I'm glad you see that immigration poses an existential threat to the EU.

Rather than deal with these collectively you're approach seems to be that Denmark and Ireland should set a direction towards a group of deterrent policies others would have to follow. These policies, based around indefinite detention and restricted access to the labour market, you hope would be successful at a regional level, despite their failures in Australia or the US.

As I've pointed out already the EU already has quite extreme deterrent policies when you consider the realities of what people face trying to get here dealing with traffickers, militias and the risk of death at sea.

To a degree Denmark's deterrent policies work for them, for now, because there are other viable destinations within the EU. To replicate this at a regional level the EU would have to somehow become less attractive than the extreme poverty and/or violence typically faced at home, or the conditions faced in Russia or perhaps the Middle East. That's just not going to happen.

Repro212

No warnings for me so far Jisakix

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393877#Comment_122393877

It’s not interesting at all.

It’s the narrative of trying to deflect us plebs and thickos from the mess our so called leaders have made of the country.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393499#Comment_122393499

You and others have totally misread the post.

At the end I say women need to be encouraged to have more children. That means making more affordable and attractive to do so.

The facts can not change the way things are. This country needs huge immigration of workers if living standards are to be maintained in the medium term to at least get the current middle aged to the grave reasonably comfortably before the real problems of the population crisis begin.

Our population is aging fast.

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393703#Comment_122393703

Why is it racist to fear being replaced? would it be racist to fear being replaced by white Scottish people or blue aliens (nearly said Wales)

The 'great replacement theory' has become a reality in London for example, in 1961 ethnic minorities made up 2% in 2021 64%…what is racist or white supremacist to point that out as fact

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393907#Comment_122393907

Ah right.

Speak for yourself .

I may not have read about Leo today but I haven't totally written off my intellect as a result

And it is interesting even to see if it is a pattern or conspiracy to distract as you say , is it not ?

And I don't disagree that those in government have made a right pig's ear of it .

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393938#Comment_122393938

It's 100% racist if their fixation is on being 'replaced' by black people or Muslims. Surely this would be the very definition of what a white supremacist is.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393947#Comment_122393947

He never mentioned black or muslim. And again you failed to answer. Surprise

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393947#Comment_122393947

Or it's the likes of you fixated on colour, what is the problem with the fear of being replaced …….the protestants of the North fear being replaced by Catholics is that right or wrong good or bad…..if the population of Lagos feared being replaced by White Europeans would it be racist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393897#Comment_122393897

You previously stated that asylum seekers should be able to show up to airports or sea ports without required visas or passports and be permitted to board simply by stating that their intention is to claim asylum in Ireland.

This is what you believe, yes?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122371877#Comment_122371877

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122382987#Comment_122382987

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393880#Comment_122393880

The left wing view this as racism.

They will say that children in the third world have just as much entitlement to any benefits as an Irish child.

Internationalism is a core part of their Marxist ideology.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393499#Comment_122393499

working people are basically piñata's.

Our only purpose is to be beaten for taxes that get to be wasted by government politicians.

The billions getting wasted on asylum is the biggest scam yet.

Photobox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393843#Comment_122393843

Well said

Atlantic Dawn

You have to laugh at the crooked media coverage for Coolock, all those charged named with details of their address and occupation, all that was missing is what they had for breakfast that morning, meanwhile when dealing with 63 people arrested in the 'Black Axe' gang they won't even quote that it's based in Nigeria for some reason as it may be too near to the truth and might offend someone, 'Western Africa' based is the best you will get. No doubt RTÉ will be on siesta when those are charged and won't have a production studio available to record them entering court.

17 charged but not single name, address or occupation released…

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0716/1460267-garda-operation-jackal/

Mr. teddywinkles

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Mick ah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393947#Comment_122393947

It must be pretty sickening to be a woman in your 30s in Ireland. No hope of buying somewhere to live and therefore she delays having children.

Meanwhile the taxes you pay go towards housing every chancer who arrives.

What would Ireland's fertility rate be if housing wasn't an issue?

And yes, obviously government policy plays a role, but when the government uses your money to compete against you for scarce housing to house people who shouldn't even be in the country.

Well, it doesn't take a genius to see why there are adherents to the great replacement theory.

Billions wasted housing chancers.

How many homes could have been built with that money? We already know that the majority of under 35s live with their parents. We all know that sharing a bedroom wall with your parents is the greatest contraception in the world.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394371#Comment_122394371

And no offence to any chancers living in tents but from the interviews I saw on the news they are the literal definition of "chancers". Apparently if you can't find work in your home country and cite discrimination you can be an asylum seeker

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394286#Comment_122394286

This could be deleted soon, it’s off topic

Mick ah

The great irony being that the Germans are paying to house all of their "replacements".

There are plenty of good paying jobs in Germany. But for the working class (who still get heavily taxed) seeing over 2k a month land in your bank account would be considered decent.

Meanwhile the government is taking their money to house chancers, driving up rent (50% of Germans rent). If you point this out in Germany, you're called a nazi.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394386#Comment_122394386

From seeing some of the undoc's wandering around it's clear they're here for the benny's and free gafs.

There's also a large number fleeing the law in Europe and their home countries, and claiming multiple payments across the E.U.. A whole new industry based on scamming the refugee laws.

gral6

Michael McDowell should be brought back as a minister of Justice.

Some order definitely will be restored and the door for welfare immigrants will close.

Also, I don't think we'll be enjoying tents full of welfare refugees along the canal.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393781#Comment_122393781

But it hasn't been extended as far as I know. It seems that the Dept of Integration etc is just over ruling the normal proper planning procedures that law abiding citizens and businesses must go through. Hence people objecting and protesting as that's all that's left to do.

As regards the growing numbers that we need to temporarily accommodate, we do what other countries across the world do - set up refugee camps with tents & toilets etc.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393909#Comment_122393909

And what's the problem with an aging and reducing population?

As an original card carrying member of the Green Party, I'd point out that Green philosophy is to Reduce, Reuse and Recycle. Make do with less. Less growth, less consumerism, fewer people and less pressure on the planet. That is Green ideology and we all aspire to be Green now, don't we.

So why do we need a growing population? Maybe it's more to do with wealth generation for some?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393871#Comment_122393871

I'll take this one. They will keep coming and getting worse and worse as the world gets more unstable and resources dwindle through climate change and wars. Millions or billions will be on the move in the coming years and decades. Humans go where resources and opportunities are, and Europe is where the impoverished people near Europe will flock to. Right wing govs will eventually lead to the break up of the EU and machine guns at borders and our lives will all become less prosperous and worse in many ways.

I still can't blame people for going to where they can possibly achieve a better life, humans have always done this regardless of nationality religion creed etc. There are just too many of us wanting too much stuff and we haven't found a way of spreading wealth globally and keeping people content.

So enjoy the good times while you can!

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395224#Comment_122395224

I'm busy today and don't have time to post links but I'm quite sure it's within the law. Legislation was passed at the beginning of the Ukraine conflict afaik.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395277#Comment_122395277

And can you put any number on how many we take in or just try and build endless accommodation ? If we're seeing new arrivals living in tents we clearly have no space currently for them.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395336#Comment_122395336

The law that was bypassed was for the benefit of only Ukrainians and is due to expire this year I believe. The temporary housing of other nationalities and ipa's is not covered under this exemption, not that the department of intrigation cares, they operate above the law.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395277#Comment_122395277

I think a more positive outlook would see a recognition that deterrent policies have failed with resources and effort put into proper investment targeting economic development in more stable African countries, perhaps with extension of the common market.

Others have posited that social change in parts of Asia, or further afield, might make those areas equally attractive destinations.

One way or another major change has begun with a potential to be destructive if mishandled. I believe there's a growing awareness the populist right can't be allowed set the agenda on how we deal with this.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395359#Comment_122395359

I can't put a number on it but they won't be stopping any time soon and we don't have an army or border control so probably will keep increasing every year

Viscount Aggro

Is there an exemption for Ukraine registered cars?

I dont see any tax or insurance on display.

What happens if one smashes into your car?