Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385545#Comment_122385545

You've got a right to protest and some were there peacefully. Gardai didn't seem to have any care who they were pepper spraying

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Goldengirl

@ kabayuyu

Don't be so gullible .

At least you and I are talking about our own lives and homes

Not making scxxter up .

Hodger

I watched this video of Gavin Pepper as he asks why is it always the working class areas this happens and not the posh areas.

https://twitter.com/valerie70154568/status/1812821546265686065

I have my own analysis view to that very question.

Another way to phrase his question is who gains who benefits when there is clear division in working class areas like we see today?

In my honest analysis both FF and FG stand to gain from such division; lets remember in the very last general election their vote decreased and the SF vote increased and the for the very first time they were forced to come together in a power sharing arrangement.

As a long term electoral strategy what better way to cause division in working class areas and to split the working class vote then to purposely place International protection center's in mostly working class areas where there is underinvestment and loads of people on housing waiting lists. And that long term electoral strategy kinda worked in the recent local and eu election as the SF vote was down and the FF and FG vote was stable.

Ozvaldo

Unless the government stop giving free apartments and free money to immigrants and p1ssing all over Paddy this will get worse.

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385338#Comment_122385338

Completely irrelevant your response relative to the matter at hand.

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385522#Comment_122385522

Are the criminal underclass part of the "underclass"who are also sometimes called the disadvantaged?

Do you think all types are at the protest or just the "underclass"

titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385504#Comment_122385504

Our current government piss on us though and don't give a crap about what any of us think. If there's no actual engagement and it's just here take these people and **** off, what do you expect people to do. Continue to bend over and hand over the lube and be like thank you. This country has been remarkably civil for so long considering the disdain the government show for the people here.

I haven't seen any polls showing public opinion is for this amount of "asylum seekers" either. Most say we're taking too much.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385558#Comment_122385558

Like I said: You put yourself amongst thugs causing ttouble then you are to blame if Gardaí (protecting society) come across you and use force. Unless you’re advocating that the gardai need to stop, conduct interviews with each person and then decide whether or not to use necessary force?

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385559#Comment_122385559

Yeah, we should just let the mobs roam the country causing damage and injuring people.
Guards should do nothing, ffs.

titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385581#Comment_122385581

Tbf if you're pepper spraying young kids (granted their parents are dumb as **** for bringing them there) or elderly, you've gone too far imo. They pose zero threat to a guard (and if they do that guard shouldn't be in a job)

Ozvaldo

The irish government is full of landlords and business owners who profit from flooding the country with immigrants .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385338#Comment_122385338

I agree with you on 0 tolerance but do you not think the two things are connected? if we had implemented the first then we wouldn't need to worry about the second one as it takes care of itself..(at least in relation to the recent anti asylum protests like in Coolock and other arson attacks).

Years of soft touch processes and high acceptance rates in relation to asylum seekers, who lets be honest here, are mostly fraudulent, has a lot to do with how we got were we are today. It's not an excuse for violent behaviour but the government definitely has to take some responsibility here. And as always it's the more deprived areas that get the raw deal.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385529#Comment_122385529

I really wish people would wake up and realise how the gardai behave in situations like today. They aren't the perfect police force battering the scumbags.

I don't care what political persuasion people are, but they should not be celebrating how some of the gardai behaved today. Some will be delighted, but one particular arrest of a citizen journalist is not right. Again, no matter what side of the fence you sit on, boundaries are being pushed and if the hate speech gets in, it will be even worse.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385567#Comment_122385567

I wouldn't deny for a moment that there are a considerable number of people have been left behind in disadvantaged communities i.e. those who drop out of school early, find it difficult to get work etc and you could certainly blame the Irish state for the situation they find themselves in. Clearly, many people attending these protests are not violent and if they simply show up or walk on a protest or whatever, they are not breaking any law and do have a democratic right to peacefully protest.

There wouldn't be much sympathy though for those physically attacking the guards or starting fires.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385594#Comment_122385594

So all Gardaí have to absolutely know who is and isn’t a threat in split seconds? And what’s elderly? This is not Carlsberg doing civil disorder

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titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385615#Comment_122385615

Again, twitter post from a biased account but this 62 year old woman on crutches says she was pepper sprayed . I don't see any reason for that to happen barring her having a gun somewhere on her.

https://x.com/Mick_O_Keeffe/status/1812914176588918927/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1812914176588918927&currentTweetUser=Mick_O_Keeffe&mode=profile

titan18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385615#Comment_122385615

Or this guy and his eyes show he's obviously pepper sprayed

https://x.com/Mick_O_Keeffe/status/1812903394140426331

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385562#Comment_122385562

He needs to wear trousers.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385553#Comment_122385553

There's also the fact that if there's a crack down on these people and deportations start for messers it will encourage the rest to keep their head down and contribute.

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Goldengirl

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kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385615#Comment_122385615

Any good police officer should be able to do risk assessment and then apply the most appropriate response.

TThe Problem we have is the the POU is trained for riot situations and to go in all weapons blazing,the are ill trained for a situation like Coolock where you had a mix of rioters,old,young and curious bystanders,they all were treated the same way by the POU as per instructions from Mcentee.

Elderly would be over 60 imo and they would not be a threat at a protest but I would also include very young and most ladies.

Jack Daw

Any people being violent are scumbags and they do their supposed cause more harm than good by causing trouble, they should protest peacefully or through the ballot box.

Coolock is one of the most deprived areas of Ireland.In fairness it is perfectly valid to question why are refugees being sent to a deprived area when they could easily be accommodated in more well to do areas which would be a better place to start your life in a new country than adding to the stresses on an already deprived area.

The people who claim to be caring seem to want unlimited immigration appear to want to turn Ireland into a western European version of Qatar where the native population are outnumbered by immigrant labourers who help prop up the natives standard of living it's just their self righteousness blinds them to this.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385562#Comment_122385562

I know MSM would have you think differently but SF in the last local election gained seats and the sitting government lost seats. And that's despite SF making blunders regarding the number of councillors they put forward and some of the reshuffling.

FFG are in a lull after the last election but they control the narrative and want people to think positively about them heading into the GE where they're guaranteed to lose popularity.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385664#Comment_122385664

The violence is the fault of these agitators and yobs.

No one else.

We’ve always had immigration in this country.

The people has a chance for change recently. They didn’t.
If it was such a pressing issue, the election should have had a different outcome.
It didn’t.

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385549#Comment_122385549

The irony of one of the most vocal pro refugee/asylum seeker calling out someone else for possibly 'not being from here' 🤣

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385529#Comment_122385529

You really should stop watching cartoons on tik tok

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385561#Comment_122385561

Me gullible,not a chance,but that poster has a right to post here unless you think only irish people should discuss immigration?