Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

corkie

If anyone is wondering how Una McGurk's court case is going?

Barrister's attempt to delay Dáil vote on EU migration pact was not properly issued to court

As a result, barrister Una McGurk's bid for various orders could not be considered by the court on Friday.

The judge said that the action must be re-issued and the proceedings are unlikely to return before the court in the short term.

So basically the Goverment will vote on it before she gets heard again on the matter?

If JOHN MCGUIRK legal friends are right this morning that the case would be thrown out anyway. Bringing up that we already voted on it twice with the Lisbon Treaty. [aware people don't like that character or site]

Can not find anything new today about Michelle Keane's case?

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288144#Comment_122288144

I’m certain the verbal abuse from asylum seekers will disabuse him of any migration-critical viewpoint he may have had…

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288284#Comment_122288284

Yes, but could voted no a second too, we didn’t. That vote included both an opt-out option and an opt-in option on EU immigration policy. In other words, we have already voted on this issue.

Lotus Flower

I honestly don't know what to say to people who really believe that we shouldn't have a say on anything major that will have huge repercussions and is irreversible

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288455#Comment_122288455

We already had our say by voting to adopt the revised Lisbon Treaty and electing this government. That’s how these things work. A referendum would only be warranted if this amounted to a change to that treaty. It doesn’t. The government is just using a pre-existing opt-in option as per the treaty.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288528#Comment_122288528

Things have changed dramatically on this front since Lisbon was passed. Much like things have changed since treaties were agreed in the 1950s.

If the support is there from the majority of the population as is being suggested by some here based on recent local/Euro election results (which were not billed as a vote on immigration however) then putting it specifically to the people should validate the position you suggest.

It never ceases to amaze me though how willing some Irish people are to hand over control to others - the Church, the EU, NPHET. It seems like some NEED to be told what to do/think or NEED that approval or validation that they're doing the "right thing", regardless of the actual impact it may have, or whether it IS actually the right thing to do.

We approved Lisbon because it was judged that we didn't make the right decision the first time (we didn't have the facts / misunderstood what was being proposed /political agendas at play - much the same reasoning that are given nowadays too except "far right" wasn't a go-to then!).

But again, if this is such a good thing for Ireland and the Irish then it should be very easy to show that and disprove the points or concerns being raised, right?

Why NOT put it to the people then? It's a lot more important an issue than the 2 recent referenda items after all.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288857#Comment_122288857

This is not a constitutional matter, so there is no onus on them to have a referendum. There will be a general election soon, but the most likely outcome will be FG/FF again with a new junior partner/partners. I’m not exactly thrilled by that prospect, but it is probably what’s going to happen.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288353#Comment_122288353

There's never been any support for Direct Democracy. I have no issue with it though. But again, we did vote to give the Dail the power to determine EU legilsation.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288857#Comment_122288857

Speaking for yourself more than anyone else there. I don't think it's a case that Irish people NEED to be told what to do, we are just perfectly capable of analysing a situation and determining what best for us. Our involvement in EU has clearly for more beneficial to Irish people than being out of the EU. Determining that has nothing to so needing to be told what to do.

We approved the Lisbon Treaty because we rejected the first one and secured the changes that people were happy with. Maybe rather than putting down Irish people becusse they have voted in ways you don't like, you should just accept that Irish people are perfectly capable of making decisions we think is best for us.

CollyFlower

Tents are on the Quays now..

https://youtube.com/shorts/g0tpkbbTDEo?si=s9wO2rdSGhKnhokt

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289152#Comment_122289152

In fact most politicians, including the darling McDowell ,at the time , were all for Lisbon 2 , and actively supported a yes vote , exceot notably socialists like Joe Higgins .

https://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0920/121978-eulisbon/

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289377#Comment_122289377

For heaven’s sake, this is getting beyond a joke now.

We need a plan to a) stop as many coming in; b) start investigating the nonsense stories peddled and send back as many as we can and then c) treat those who stay with decency - proper accommodation and support.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289377#Comment_122289377

Yup all for show. No doubt there's NGO's advising them where to go and how to make it as blatant as possible.

Makes me absolute sick.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283245#Comment_122283245

No that was thuggery too .

But they didn't go to her house with masks and tricolours .

So even they were better than the latest brand of thugs .

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289411#Comment_122289411

You’d be a lot safer in a house than a car - nice try at that but fail.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289416#Comment_122289416

Nonsense as usual .

People coming to your home makes it very personal and includes an attack on your family .

That is outside all politics and just hate ..most people would agree .

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289377#Comment_122289377

How do you end up following and reposting these kind of accounts? There are other posters on this thread that think RTE etc. have an agenda.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289453#Comment_122289453

You know it's that darn algorithm. ;/s

corkie

@Ha Long Bay How do you end up following and reposting these kind of accounts? There are other posters on this thread that think RTE etc. have an agenda.

The algorithms of the apps recommend content without people actually following the accounts based on past viewership. You need not have viewed it.

And now that I checked out the link because of your comment. I ignored the video myself when reading thread. I will probably now get that content in my youtube feed as well now. Just had to see what the fuss was about that particular account.

9.2K subscribers so she seems popular?

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289533#Comment_122289533

She? The fake twitter\username handle is another prime example of what dogsh1t that peopel are being fed.

Why you are trying to defend the poster and especially the account they dumped here raises their own questions.

prunudo

Don't really see what the issue is. In the absence of 'tents on the quays' being reported by msm, why not link to the account who has reported it. If the poster didn't back up their statement with evidence, there would be calls for a 'link or its not true'.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289558#Comment_122289558

I also add to this, no one is forcing anyone to look at the link.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289558#Comment_122289558

I dunno ...🙄

Maybe because a fake account spewing dubious information is not a good reference point ?

CollyFlower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289453#Comment_122289453

If you subscribe and follow a social media account you're likely to get feeds sent to you, the video I posted was not fake, I live not far from there.

corkie

@Ha Long Bay Why you are trying to defend the poster and especially the account they dumped here raises their own questions.

Not defending anyone. You asked a question and I answered it!?

You did more to promote the youtube channel than the oringal poster, hopefully you where signed out of your youtube account to take screenshots? Welcome to algorithms of been fed that content otherwise!

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289558#Comment_122289558

I am not here to change your mind or anyone who thanks your post.

What is certain is that you won't find fault in that possible bot account even when presented with evidence of how divisive they aim to be.

Like putting a saucer of milk in front of a cat it will be lapped up and appreciated.

Did you read any of the headlines of them other videos? "The immigrant that grabbed 2 kids" etc. All fabricated rubbish.

CollyFlower

Truth hurt? sometimes the camera never lies.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289648#Comment_122289648

It’s an old trick - when presented with an unpleasant fact, attack the source.

JP 1800

I have been reading this thread for some time and I am convinced Ireland as in its people, culture, history and identity are in an existential crisis. This is definitely not the country I, my family, nor my friends grew up in and even in the last 10 years the demographic shift has been enormous. It is getting to the point that what makes Ireland a place where our ancestors struggled and strived to give their descendants a nation of our own, was a pointless and futile sacrifice as we are handing it away piece by piece. Let me be clear, I have no issue with legal and warranted immigration. I have worked and still do work with wonderful colleagues from all over the world whom are well educated and professional and I give those colleagues the same respect and courtesy I would to any native Irish person I work with. I am however growing more concerned on the direction we are taking as a country and what is happening to our society.

There is obviously a change in the demographic that is very visible when driving through Dublin or walking through Dublin, it is very visible. What makes us a unique culture is dissolving in the wave of "multiculturalism" which in itself is being driven by greed. Not just financial greed by the illegal migrants themselves, and those individuals leveraging assets with increased demand for accommodation and cheaper labour but also by emotive greed where there are those whom can feel good about themselves for helping or fighting for the "refugee" cause. There is also the possibility that some are just lacking in critical thinking, logical reasoning and are purely emotive. The way the debate on immigration is going, it is clear to me who are dishonest in their representation and who are giving a level headed, logical and salient points. The three amigos on this thread come to mind regarding the former.

Throwing in legal and needed immigration with the illegal and downright bogus immigration is just dishonest and shows that certain parties and individuals are just as complicit in the societal fallout that may likely come. I have two young daughters and I for one do not know how I will protect or prepare them for what the future may bring. I have worked in the UK, and what a mess it is in certain cities, and we are next. I thought we would be 30 years behind but I would say we are closer to 10 years if we dont get a handle on the situation now, not over the next 5 years of the next electoral cycle, but now. I for one do not understand why our own representatives are so eager to push through the migration pact or even defend the downright bogus system that is in place now. For me personally I feel they do not know how to handle it, are trying to double down and save face, along with being down right incompetent. Then there are the sinister elements who are making a killing out of the whole situation.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289636#Comment_122289636

You have a strange take on things if you think my post in any way promoted that account.

Would you prefer other posters to see and click on a single link dump that is not questioned or some proof without links that the account is at best a bot with evidence?