Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

slay55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204170#Comment_122204170

her name is Olivia headon

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204497#Comment_122204497

You can't prove it because it isn't true. You obviously don't know anything about the different types of crimes or where they are committed. There is fyi, a difference between criminal and crime. So making a joke of a poster, when clearly you don't know what you are talking about, makes a joke out of someone alright.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204741#Comment_122204741

Its getting tiresome now, the use of gpt.

Anyhoo, as I said I have no interest in conversing with anything that thinks possession of knives or other implements is ok.

We are done

Quags

tents are now up at Wellington Place 😂 a certain volunteer seen helping them setup also

Between the council and immigrants they have the canals in a state.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204814#Comment_122204814

She still isn't accommodating any of them in her own house or garden? Classic virtue signaller that one.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202576#Comment_122202576

What has her obesity got to do with it?

Her weight is irrelevant, it’s her continued activity at the canal that matter in relation to this thread

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122203877#Comment_122203877

The fact you do not see the insanity of this position is alarming.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204797#Comment_122204797

This gave me a good chuckle, obviously the irony is lost on you.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204882#Comment_122204882

Glad I could be of assistance to you. Point stands.

slay55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204848#Comment_122204848

I wish next time she is being interviewed, she will be asked this question

classic virtue signalling idiot

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122201837#Comment_122201837

Not far off. I too think it is ridiculous. Here's an article putting Ireland close to the top.

https://gfmag.com/data/richest-countries-in-the-world/

Blind As A Bat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122203685#Comment_122203685

That should be on the Leaving Cert somewhere :)) actually it's about time they added the Father Ted scripts to the English syllabus.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204909#Comment_122204909

Ireland's GDP figures can not be used for any sort of comparison. Where do think the term leprechaun economics came from?

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204779#Comment_122204779

there really are some people who believe this. They don’t see that in a lot of cases it’s the opposite and Ireland is actually the retirement plan of those coming here. Take our Somalian 50 something fisherman friend with a wife and 7 children and a lawyer doing his bidding. He knows he and his huge family will be supported by the Irish state. We are being taken for mugs

Blind As A Bat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204138#Comment_122204138

He's one of our uninvited guests who was interviewed recently. Yes, these people do come from terrible countries, countries that already receive billions in foreign aid, have volunteers and aid workers on the ground from Europe and to which many Irish people have donated generously over the decades.

It's an unfortunate circumstance of birth for some people, their karma, that they are born in those places. We cannot help all of them and we can't solve those countries' problems by importing their entire populations into Europe. Where exactly does one place the cap and close the doors to more?

babaracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204241#Comment_122204241

These red herrings which you introduce are just filibustering. It's a distraction technique to waste people's time debating nonsense while another few hundred bogus asylum seekers enter the State.

Demand we prove the moon is not made of cheese and distract from the glaringly obvious situation that we are being taken for a long, unenjoyable and expensive ride with serious society altering consequences.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204958#Comment_122204958

Merely pointing out lies and misinformation.

Noone on here is stopping anyone entering the state, whether they post or not.

I have always found if people are willing to spread lies about one subject, they will do it about anything.

babaracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204975#Comment_122204975

Poppycock.

StrawbsM

I thought some on here said Ms Headon looks after all the homeless in Dublin? I’d like some proof of that please as all I can see from all the video evidence over the last few weeks at Grand Canal is her helping asylum seekers. Over the same time she has been interviewed for Irish radio and tv, European news channels and UK news channels and it’s always to talk about asylum seekers.

Is she really a volunteer or is she getting paid to do what she does?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204982#Comment_122204982

That people who lie about one thing, will usually lie about another, I have found that to be the case.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122201744#Comment_122201744

You're not a moderator so not sure why you think you can tell other people who or what can be discussed.

I could volunteer to throw rocks at random houses if i wanted. Should that not be discussed seeing as I was doing it in a voluntary capacity?

Not all activities are socially useful and encouraging and aiding illegal immigration should really be a crime not something that someone should be lauded for on here.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204413#Comment_122204413

I think it very relevant to discuss how terribly anti-immigration candidates and their policies have fared elsewhere.

Or should we just bury our heads in the sand and pretend somehow things will be different here?

Kingslayer

Why are some here so adamant that a certain volunteer should be completely off limits for discussion? She actively courts media attention, appears on tv nearly ever day and is fast becoming the poster child for the immigration crisis. Of course we should be allowed to discuss this certain volunteer.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202564#Comment_122202564

The causes are complex but if you put 10,000 South Koreans in a city, you won't have any gang violence for sure.

The research on the topic often points to the breakdown of the African-American family with 70 per cent of children born to single mothers. The lack of strong male role models is an issue along with very low educational attainment in an economy that values formal education.

The same issues are present in London's gangland as are present in Chicago,New York,Rio de Janeiro and elsewhere. There's no point in ignoring it anyway regardless of the causes.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122203851#Comment_122203851

Skilled migrants who rent in Ireland are obviously competing for scarce houses especially as many work in Dublin or Cork. It's mad to say otherwise.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204138#Comment_122204138

We have no reason to want to house half of Somalia. We do have a choice in the matter and I expect the Government to respond accordingly to the will of the people. Conditions are terrible in most of the 50 plus African Countries and are likely to get worse. If we import all their issues, Ireland will be no better than where they came from just with worse weather.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122205109#Comment_122205109

Trump’s charges in relation to hush money have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. I feel like this is another attempt at a smear by association. Trump has nothing to do with us

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204494#Comment_122204494

There were tweets, that much is true. What has been highly fictionalized is the content and nature of those tweets.

We've been told many, many times in this thread that O'Gorman tweeted in multiple languages an open invite to the world promising 'own door' accommodation for IPA's arriving here.

In fact what what tweeted in multiple languages was the release of a white paper on a change of policy for IPA accommodation. The white paper was not translated. The white paper actually makes it clear that Ireland aspires to changing policy on IPA accommodation but that there are a number of challenges to doing so, particularly in relation to Ireland's housing crisis.

The development of a multi-strand accommodation approach is inherently more complex than that foreseen
by the Advisory Group, which drew on an existing housing programme and on the resources and expertise of
Local Authorities. The model proposed above will require multiple capital projects to be brought on stream. It
will require support services to be commissioned from multiple organisations. It will also require programmes
to be developed and coordinated nationally to stimulate community involvement. As such, it will require a
significantly greater investment in staff, capital and project management resources than would have been
anticipated by the model recommended in the Advisory Group Report. It will have to be undertaken at a time
of continuing pressure on the housing market.
Each of the strands proposed above carry risks. Capacity is potentially constrained in private tenancies. Urban
renewal programmes are still small-scale in nature. The programmes involving Approved Housing Bodies, NGOs
or hosting in the community will have to be developed from scratch.
The inherent risks involved in the delivery of a multi-strand programme of this nature, where key elements
will require to be developed, make it necessary to introduce an annual review mechanism to assess the
ongoing feasibility of each strand. Such a review would also include structured feedback from current
or recent applicants on their experience. If strands persistently fail to deliver the capacity needed to
accommodate applicants, it will be necessary either to remove that strand from the model or to re-allocate
the numbers across other strands. The annual review will also have to consider whether or not there are other
accommodation strands that could be added to the model.
See further discussion of risk in Chapter 8.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/124757/ef0c3059-b117-4bfa-a2df-8213bb6a63db.pdf#page=0

I'd recommend you read chapter 8 for those further discussions on risk. It's made quite clear the proposed new model (which I believe is similar to what other EU countries offer) is aspirational, and based on arrival numbers of 3.5k per year.

Oscar_Madison

I’m assuming this go-move-shift policy will have to be strengthened to prevent new camps appearing the following day after a clear out - however that’s not that simple- if you ban me from the canal I’ll go to the park- ban me from the park and I’ll go down the road to another green area- also there IS no accommodation available in the main for these people - they’ll be out of prison in a day if prosecuted due to over crowding there so that won’t work- probably better off setting up a camp in the phoenix park or somewhere- provide washing and toilet facilities, set up a food tent, surround it with railings and 24 hour security - these pop up camp sites aren’t going to stop- it’s only going to get worse- isn’t the figure about 600 a week coming from the UK via NI?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/asylum-seekers-move-tents-to-ballsbridge-after-canal-space-gets-fenced-off/a1771497291.html

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202883#Comment_122202883

"Heres an idea. What about if we had a kind of tiered Irishess"

That's a hard no from me. Fwiw, our family tree goes back to around 1500 in Ireland. Very strongly against an apartheid system in Ireland.