Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120012#Comment_122120012

How on earth are MI5 supposed to deal with the boats? Station someone every ten metres on the French/UK channel coasts?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120235#Comment_122120235

It's an absolutely insane development if this comes to pass. The country is literally done for those who don't own homes.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120550#Comment_122120550

It has already come to pass. Private houses are being bought up for the asylum seeker industry. Private citizens are being outbid. Even if the government hit their 50,000 a year house building plan, that will solve nothing, it won't be enough.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120443#Comment_122120443

One can get €800/month tax-free to rent room to Ukrainian = €26/day

StrawbsM

Took this screenshot from Facebook

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120514#Comment_122120514

I see your points, but the UK would say they are transiting through the UK, not coming from the UK, and so France should stop them reaching the south coast of England in the first place if we want them to not end up in Ireland.

Ergo, The UK stance is that the issue is, at least in part, an EU generated problem.

France will say the IPAs pass through other countries in order to get to France so it isn't their original problem, either.

I read an interview with a Nigerian Applicant here that flew from Nigeria to Paris and then Paris to Dublin.

Nigeria is the largest nationality applying here at the moment, so how many come direct from France via air?

I dont believe the govt know where the IPAs are coming from, to be honest.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120702#Comment_122120702

IPAs are registering and asked where they are from and how they got here. That's how we know currently 90%+ cross NI border - based on what they say

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119947#Comment_122119947

The Rwanda policy is a pr stunt.

It emerged over the weekend that only one hostel is in place for 200 deportees. More hostels are still at 'planning stage'

Nothing in place to stop people just returning to the UK either.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/22/rwanda-can-hold-just-200-channel-migrants-cant-stop-returning/

Gussie Scrotch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120550#Comment_122120550

Insane is exactly how I would describe this emerging issue.

The government is using taxpayers money to outbid taxpayers for accomodation.

How can they possibly justify treating the taxpayer , who voted them in and pays their salary, in such an insulting way?

It defies logic that a government, entrusted with the wefare of the people of Ireland could openly allow such a patently unfair and destructive policy to exist.

Of all the issues caused by the incompetence of this administration, the recklessness and short sightedness of this approach is likely to be the most damaging.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119867#Comment_122119867

I think you might be confusing me with someone who thinks our utter dependence on MNCs is a good idea.

But the fact remains we are dependent.

Even with the will to break that reliance it would take years to do without devastating impacts.

Gamergurll

Country is rapidly falling apart.. What's to stop landlords all over the place kicking out tenants for that kinda cash?

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120238#Comment_122120238

It's too easy to blame the EU. You are letting people off scot free in this country when you do that.

Denmark is in the EU yet it's going to receive one-tenth the number of asylum seekers this year that we will.

WE haven't lost our sovereignty to the EU, we've lost it to the litigious NGO sector holding our feet to the fire. We've lost it because our politicians are too spineless to bring in laws that supercede some silly asylum convention we signed up to in the 1950's. Main example being the idea there are "no limits" allowed on incoming AS - totally ridiculous notion. It's like telling a homeowner there's "no limits" to the number of homeless people they should take into their home, even when it's full.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120514#Comment_122120514

The UK don't care about us as long as they are rid of them.

A smart move by them would be to offer them Rwanda or 500 pound to travel to Ireland.

star61

Was it bad policy - Part V was brought in 2000 and was successful at the time. Throughout the recession the country had no money to buy housing or pay for construction. They were told what to do by the troika. After the recession the government along with part v hired construction companies to build social housing estates. At the scale of what is now required that won’t be enough. As there is no actual number on how many people will come into the country and that will require social houses… there will never be enough even if they start buying up all the new builds around the country. Even if they start building themselves. You cannot project or budget for the unknown.

Ionraice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119385#Comment_122119385

So, effectively, you're saying that there is a regulation in place that European countries are not adhering to, because they have little sympathy for us - meanwhile Ireland can't/won't deport these asylum seekers, because Ireland must adhere to the "regulations".

I have to admit, I'm disgusted - but I'm not even remotely surprised.

arctictree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120645#Comment_122120645

I thought its per property and not per room?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120889#Comment_122120889

I'm not effectively saying that at all, no, so you can save your disgust.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120920#Comment_122120920

It is per property. You can rent one room in your house for €800pm tax-free to one Ukrainian, or an eight bed house for €800pm.

ooter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120645#Comment_122120645

It's only tax free if you stay under €14k rent for the year, if you rented 2 rooms out the whole €1600 a month would be liable for tax

Ninthlife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120672#Comment_122120672

Imagine the neighbours, hard working people, some who are sacrificing left, right and centre to pay a mortgage on an over inflated property price with high mortgage interest rates and the Government put that sh*te on your doorstep.

This just cannot be allowed to happen, undocumented migrants who's background are relatively unknown just planted in housing estates across the country.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120937#Comment_122120937

No. The Ukrainian rent payment is seperate to the Revenue rent-a-room scheme. There was an article in TheJournal where houseowner rented out three rooms - one to a Ukrainian at €800pm the other two to ordinary folk ~€500pm each. All tax-free.

Ionraice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120921#Comment_122120921

Ok. So, what are you saying?

You said there is a regulation in place to deal with IPAs applying for asylum in multiple Countries.

You also said that European Countries have little sympathy for us.

Fair enough. But if European Countries are not adhering to the existing regulations, then why is dear old Ireland incapable of stemming the flow because.... "regulations"?

It's a perfectly valid reason to be disgusted, as far as I'm concerned.

Either every Country adheres to the regulations they've agreed to, or there is absolutely no point to the regulations, no?

ooter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120961#Comment_122120961

Didn't know that, that's crazy.

Surprised they didn't turf out the 2 lads paying 500 and get 2 more Ukrainians in to get 2400 a month.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121048#Comment_122121048

People applying for asylum in multiple countries is rare but when it does happen, there are clear regulations about sending the person back to where they made the first application (absent some exceptions). There are obviously many practical difficulties to this and accepting countries can frustrate it though when an actual application is in their system it would be tough.

"Stemming the flow" is an entirely different question and involves completely different laws etc. There are no regulations to help us with crossings from the UK, bar the CTA which is fuzzy on the matter. Anyone who has travelled to Ireland lately will know there are more passport checks literally at the plane which are an effort to stop people arriving and destroying documents then claiming asylum (how impactful this is I have no idea). However, every country in Europe is struggling, almost all of them more than Ireland, and thus the regulations around returning IPAs to other member states are not working super efficiently as understandably the frontier countries are pissed off about it. We can't just force people onto a plane to countries that won't accept them.

iamwhoiam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121064#Comment_122121064

you only get one €800 regardless of how many Ukrainians you house

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120785#Comment_122120785

You can already see people even on this thread salivating at the thought of this type of cash. It would destroy the country.

Renters would be kicked out in their hordes.

The Govt need to cop on. They'll bankrupt the place but it will be for good this time as no one will live and work here.

Tucker2024

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120702#Comment_122120702

More power to them.

All these rules and regulations seem to go out the window with IPAs.

Youd nearly swear their was a killing to be made out of it

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121135#Comment_122121135

Planning laws out the window. Fire regulations out the window (12 people in one house?). Nursing homes closed down and flogged to the government at twice the price. Only hotels in the village taken away. Now housing estates targeted. Heaven and earth moved so that Akbar here from Pakistan can be accommodated by the taxpayer because of something called "obligations".

It's like we've entered a parallel universe of insanity.

arctictree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120961#Comment_122120961

Nice one. So you could theoretically get 14,000 plus 9,600 = 23,600 tax free? But you have to live in the house!

Spanish Eyes

I'm not up to speed on this, someone else might be but on the subject of renting the house (and possibly more and more) in Newbridge to AS, aren't there inspections and rules about occupancy levels that landlords must adhere to? Not sure if it's council or RTB led.

Anyway I would have thought that having 12 people in a four bed (three to a room) with communal facilities is very tight indeed. That was the first thing that came to mind when I read about the number of people to be housed there. We have seen and read about rogue landlords putting numerous tenants in a room and it was declared disgraceful etc..

But hey ho, I suppose like Planning Rules, occupancy etc. rules will be waived for AS.

No wonder the residents of the area are not happy.