Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

charlie_says

Who knows, maybe they are Taliban supporter and just perhaps came because they were promised accommodation, in Ireland specifically.

Was there maybe a minister that sent out a large online campaign in multiple languages promising free accommodation? That bit we know is true.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120950932#Comment_120950932

So Taliban supporters want to leave a country that is run exactly how they want it, to come to liberal Ireland. Yep, makes sense 🙄

1800_Ladladlad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120947322#Comment_120947322

The High Court actually ruled that it was “unlawful” for the state to let the Afghan "asylum seeker" go homeless for three weeks. Three weeks ffs!!!  

As of early July, the state is facing a total of 40 damages claims from asylum seekers left homeless upon arrival in the country. The like's of the Irish Refugee Council & the free legal aid solicitors responsible for these cases. They actively seek these people out and it's not out of the goodness of their hearts. It makes total sense to have the taxpayer pay for all of this while Irish people can't find anywhere to live!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/07/05/state-facing-40-damages-claims-from-asylum-seekers-left-homeless-upon-arrival/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Whats worse is Fine Gael's Senator Barry Ward who publicly described free legal aid fees paid to barristers as “embarrassing” called for an increase in said fees. This is a lad that has received €178,729.72 under the scheme over the last three years. He earns €75,000 as a senator & is entitled to an additional €5,250 in travel+accommodation allowances. This is obviously is cup-holder change. He's making a killing playing the system and has a say in how it goes. Fleecing the taxpayer.

suvigirl

Do posters think that we should have asylum seekers sleeping in the streets?

These are the very people that posters have an issue with due to them 'disappearing' but it's ok for the state not to know where the hell asylum seekers are when they get here?

Most ridiculous thing ever. If we are to have a decent system where claims are dealt with, how can we let them go wherever without authorities knowing?

satguy

Just today in court a very nice Albanian lad, only in the country 4 days, has been charged in connection with the seizure of 60 kilograms of cocaine with an estimated street value of over €4 million.

He was aided in the venture by his brother, and a very nice Romanian chap. All 3 are now getting free legal aid. So maybe we should ask why we are importing these jack the lads, when we already have enough of our own to deal with.

As a nation right now, we do have some money to play around with, we should build nice big jail, a really big one. And start to jail anyone that comes to our country to sell drugs.

keynes

All the left can say about Dwyer is he kicked a dog and complained about a rainbow poster at a creche. (He also stamped on a spider once.)

This is how deranged one gets when someone highlights the immigration racket.

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120950736#Comment_120950736

Given the housing crisis and spiraling rents, its great Philip can live rent-free inside your head.

Real Donald Trump

Breaking News, Postman kicks a dog, I highly doubt he's the first in that profession to do such a thing. If you were in that scenario I'm sure you would do the same thing to defend yourself, rather that let some dog takes chunks out of you. ffs

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120951216#Comment_120951216

Hardly. He was sacked for it. And the rest..?

But this thread is about refugees.. You guys just want to talk about some creep called Phillip.

Beasty

OK, we've had plenty of discussion about Philip Dwyer. Let's not give him any more oxygen here

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120949701#Comment_120949701

'' Prisons in the UK and USA were filled with the majority of Irish immigrants ''. !! Got a link for this piece of drivel .

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120952554#Comment_120952554

Whatever about the veracity of the claim, is this a good argument for allowing unlimited numbers in?

Like our hospitals, schools and housing system our prisons are already filled to bursting. Don’t think we should add any additional stress to that system.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120952578#Comment_120952578

Hardly an argument for accepting refugees, merely pointing out the ridiculous notion that the Irish were some kind of angelic immigrants while the rest are not 🙄

Bobtheman

I'd like to ask two simple questions?

Do people support Ukraine in its war against the Russians? If you do then do you support their refugees?

I do on both counts

Secondly is the state making it more difficult for economic refugees to come into the state?

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120952554#Comment_120952554

Can this claim be proven by said poster should claimed it.

Like to see this figures.

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120953630#Comment_120953630

Russia Vs Ukraine I have no dog in the fight. I'm entirely neutral. No. I don't support them coming all the way here. I could perhaps get behind the idea of financially supporting them in Poland or one of the many safe parts of their own country. What ought to be absolutely out of the question is them coming here.

The government are useless absolutely useless in deterring migrants. However the opposition would be even more dreadful.

I hope that sheds some light on feeling on the ground.

lmimmfn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120952554#Comment_120952554

You'll have a wait, usual misdirection attempt, if not its a "what would you do/how do you think it should be done"

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120953963#Comment_120953963

No part of Ukraine is safe. Every single city in the country has been hit by cruise missiles, often multiple times, including in the far west.

Even if the risk of physical injury is small, the psychological trauma of Ukraine being at war and air raid sirens going off repeatedly must be playing havoc with the mental health of civilians in the country.

airy fairy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120954778#Comment_120954778

If it's so bad back in Ukraine, how could a judge agree to this

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0803/1398088-child-ukraine/

newmember2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120951163#Comment_120951163

Come to Ireland and start your own business selling Cocaine!!

Is Albania part of the EU or at war or wtf?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120955027#Comment_120955027

The judge didn't actually say it was "safe" for the child to return home to Ukraine (far from it in fact), just that her removal from the country had been conducted illegally, as her father had legal custody of the girl. This was a serious point of order under the law and the girl also said she wished to be reunited with her father.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120951163#Comment_120951163

Yeah more war on drugs, I'm sure a few more billon wasted will certainly solve that problem.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120955055#Comment_120955055

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Albanians have visa free travel in europe, Albania is not a full member of the EU but has applied for membership.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120940364#Comment_120940364

@RobbieTheRobber still wondering on that limit you were talking about - I gave my answer in reply like you asked, quoted above in case you missed it somehow

So at what number would it be your limit?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120955641#Comment_120955641

I was never talking about a limit.



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That was all you.

So you want to limit genuine refugees. People fleeing war zones shouldn't be allowed entry?

No to Ukrainians?

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120934005#Comment_120934005

@RobbieTheRobber if you’re not suggesting unlimited asylum seekers that means there is a limit

What is the limit?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120951163#Comment_120951163

But then how would we get our drugs?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120955938#Comment_120955938

So you take my post where I correctly state that no one has advanced a policy of unlimited asylum seekers and then use that as a justification to demand that I state a hard limit?

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What are we talking per month, per year, a fixed number that should be limited for ever more.

Or maybe as a percentage of population or maybe it should be related to GNI or GDP.

Asylum seeker is a stage though and not a final destination, so does that mean that once they are processed they stop being an asylum seeker how should this impact the number you want me to put a limit on?

Do you really mean immigration when you talk about asylum seeker?

So no more Ukrainians are welcome in your zero policy, right?

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120953630#Comment_120953630

Yes and yes with the latter conditional on the understanding that once the despicable Russian regime is removed from Ukraine, that war refugees return to Ukraine and start building it back up into the nation that it needs to be. I don't however support Ukrainian men of service age being here as war refugees if they are required back home to assist in the defence of their state. There are many needs there, not just at the war fronts. If there are such Ukrainian men here, they should be identified by the Ukr community here and sent back.

The whole system of parallel asylum seeking for other nationalities needs to be ceased forthwith. Then completely overhauled with all current such applicants being processed and allowed entry/ expelled as decided. Only then should it be reopened with proper controls.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120953630#Comment_120953630

I have sympathy for the Ukrainians but I don't feel any responsibility for the situation or obligation to house an unlimited number of their citizens for an indefinite period of time at unending expense to the Irish taxpayer and at the cost of compromising essential services here still further in order to support them.

The current situation is the latest unfortunate turn in a long-standing regional conflict between them and Russia and it's been used by Zelenskyy to grandstand for the international media and by their allies to fight a proxy war and test new military hardware against the Russians. It could and probably will go on for years yet.

But it's not Ireland's job to solve it, especially when we can't even solve our own problems.