Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612397#Comment_120612397

So some lad going to London to dig ditches and pay through the nose for a room is the same as some lad coming here from Georgia, pretending he is fleeing a war, getting free food, accommodation, medical care and dole, and spending the rest of his life sucking the Irish taxpayer?

Right.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612477#Comment_120612477

no it isn't, but if Georgians could go to London legally do you not think lots of them would do that the way we do?

if Irish people couldn't leave legally do you think we'd go to a wealthy country if possible that gave you free food, accom, medicale care, dole etc?

or we'd just ignore that opportunity?

do you actually think we're just morally superior to other nationalities or something?

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612490#Comment_120612490

Nonsense.

Our theoretical Georgian isn't coming here because he can't legally enter London, he's coming here because he knows he can file a bogus asylum claim, and never have to work a day in his life.

I mean, I don't blame him, given the choice between breaking my back every day, and being treated as some kind of fragile flower that has to have every whim catered to, I know which I'd go for.

That still doesn't change the fact that we are being ridden though, and that we have no obligation to allow it.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610639#Comment_120610639

I think this was a totally unnecessary post after I had signed out and very immature .

You knew I signed off for the night as I had said so to blueskydreams prior to replying to you .

I am happy to engage in reasoned discussion , but all of your posts that I saw had multiple unanswerable questions to posters instead of reasoned debate .

What do you expect if people choose not to reply to you because they don't know what you are asking ?

So gloves off now , no ...I will not discuss anything with you further day or night , because I do not think you are a reasonable person after that reply to me . Bye.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612490#Comment_120612490

Of course we'd do it. People will not look a gift horse in the mouth. The problem is that we have created a asylum system that lends itself to be easily taken advantage of. People taking advantage is entirely expected and has been pointed out countless times to government.

Instead what the government has done is refuse to reform it's broken system and foist unwanted refugee accommodation on any community it thinks it can.

So government has two choices now really. Reform the system or locate refugee accommodation in places where it's wanted.

I suspect it will choose the third way though and continue as we are - which will ensure the rose of the right, the conspiracy grifters and the overall corrosive effects to social unity such policies are likely to have.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612523#Comment_120612523

so we're in agreement that irish people would do the same if circumstances were different. you really make it sound like the good life though. you could always rip up your passport and present yourself at the airport to avail of all these luxuries.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612542#Comment_120612542

I'm not a grifter.

So you agree?

OK then. We're agreed that the "but the Irish emigrated too" argument is a nonsensical strawman.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612564#Comment_120612564

it isn't nonsensical. people go with the best opportunities available. many irish people would do the same, not you of course.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612541#Comment_120612541

yes agree with all of this. i just get annoyed that people make these people out as sub-human scumbags who are beneath us. from what i've seen of nigeria and georgia i'd be getting the f*ck out of there two given half a chance.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120611866#Comment_120611866

I see what you did there... Nice! Although I would argue he probably went through border patrol

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612444#Comment_120612444

Where did I call them bad men in my post.

Where did i say I wouldn't believe them if you provided stats.

You could just have said you don't have any stats instead of trying to be smart.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610911#Comment_120610911

Wow ...tribe !

If these people are found to be eligible for asylum then if course it is reasonable to expect that they would want their families to be safe also. That is part of the legislation as you know and they do nothing wrong by applying to have their families included .

If they are not eligible this will not happen.

You seem to have a problem even if people are eligible for asylum and granted it .

How do you know that they will all end up on welfare any more than your average Irish person?

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612574#Comment_120612574

I said in my previous post that given the choice between breaking my back and being cossetted and never having to work, I'd take the latter. Please don't be dishonest in your posts.

Now back to the core point - do you now agree that, just because Irish people emigrated (to work!) we do not have any obligation to give a free ride to anyone who wants it?

A yes or no will suffice.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612213#Comment_120612213

This is probably true. Most Ukrainian men, with a few exceptions, aren't allowed to leave the country in case they get drafted to the army... It sounds awful but actually most of the men don't want to go either so not too bad

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612645#Comment_120612645

What we want and what we get aren't always aligned.

If they want to stay with their families, they shouldn't run out on them. What kind of man flees a war with the intention of sending for his family if the dole is good enough where he lands?

If they really were refugees, it would be the families that came first.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612661#Comment_120612661

🤣🤣🤣

"with a few exceptions"

You're brilliant, I actually thought from your first few posts that you were serious.

Well played.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612666#Comment_120612666

These are not always fleeing war as you know but even so , easier to send the young man on quickly while the women and children stay in a camp on the border waiting to see where they can safely travel to.

We have seen the plight of families carrying children along by the metal fences of Hungary for example, with no food or water .

If they are not 'really refugees ' their families will not be following will they?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612651#Comment_120612651

No. I never said we had any obligations. But I think the fact that we emigrated in our droves when times were tough should make you understand why people come here from sh*thole countries.

And if all Irish people emigrated to work why are there still Irish people begging in London, where there are a ridiculous amount of jobs?

The_Kew_Tour

So we now have a doctor shortage even though we were told loads of Doctors were coming.

More lies from NGOs governments etc. Lies are coming back to these people now

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612574#Comment_120612574

Yes, people do make choices and some 'go with the best opportunities available'. We currently have Irish people living and working quite legally in other EU states and other places with appropriate visas etc. We also have Irish people living and working illegally abroad. They should be deported and sent home.

It is a basic function of any state worth it's name to be able to control it's points of entry. There is no problem with people from other EU states and the UK coming and working here.

There is however a major problem with every Tom, Dick and Sally coming from all over the world outside the above and seeking to reside and work here. These people absolutely do not have a right to 'go with the best opportunities available' here in Ireland. Surely you agree with this??

The point about shelter for 'international asylum' applicants is that it's an emergency measure to be applied in extremis. And the public at large are gravely doubting this, that the great many of these young men are pretending to be fleeing and completely abusing the system and our trust.

This is rapidly having the effect of undermining public confidence in this asylum system and turning people against all, regardless of who they are.

I'm glad to hear that you're back in Ireland, contributing to the state here and helping to develop it and support it financially. That's duty of every Irish citizen that is fit & able.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612710#Comment_120612710

Why not?

If I'm some lad in Georgia earning half of feck all and I hear of a mythical land across the sea where I can put my feet up for the rest of my life, why would I not head off to see if the stories on tiktok are true, and when I've had a bit of craic for a year or two, get onto a few locals back home, tell them I can set them up just like me for a small fee, and all they have to do is say they're my first cousin once removed.

hymenelectra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612524#Comment_120612524

I responded to your post, I didn't know there was a rule that I had to wait for you to say good morning.

"Gloves off now", like, what's your problem?

I merely stated that writing "I disagree" amounts to nothing without reason.

And now you aren't going to reply to me ever again either?

Okay, that isn't bizarre at all.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612423#Comment_120612423

26 posts and counting in 24 hours on one thread. Just registered .

This is a very busy poster here ...

FYI . Now that's what I call bizarre!

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612677#Comment_120612677

Not sure what you find so funny but ok...

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612764#Comment_120612764

Of course you don't 😉

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612735#Comment_120612735

I am talking about refugees / international protection applicants per the thread , as opposed to economic migrants .

That is a very different situation you are talking about there .

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612754#Comment_120612754

I think you'll find there are lots of homeless foreign people in Ireland too they're not all mollycoddled. Irish people are put up in social housing and given lots of supports in London also, I have a friend who got social housing in Brixton.

I don't really care why we're putting people up for free, lots of countries around the world house asylum seekers while they are being processed, but don't blame the people who are taking advantage of this, bogus or not.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612768#Comment_120612768

Care to explain or do you even know yourself?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612733#Comment_120612733

Well whether you like it or not, they currently do have the right to take the opportunities available in Ireland, and that's why they keep coming. Until the government changes its stance on this they'll keep coming. Again don't hate the playa, hate the game, fam.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612769#Comment_120612769

The vast majority of what are termed "refugees" in Ireland are economic migrants.

That's the whole problem.