Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Fred Cryton

Who exactly is to blame for not including asylum as part of the Brexit agreement, given that the existing agreements were nullified after UK left the EU.

When we were banging on about an open border on this Island, did anyone in the DoJ or in our political or media class not think about asylum and migration as an aspect of that? Useless, useless people.

Is it our old friend Varadkar again not paying attention to the little details?

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076062#Comment_122076062

I've read a little about this illegal development in Wicklow. Stunning how the investors here think they can build all these townhouses and give two fingers to the planning system. Whilst being bank rolled by the state in terms of fees paid for accommodation for refugees and IPAs. A major scandal.

We need to be deploying our Gardaí to sites like this who are absolutely breaking the laws of the state.

Furze99

And we need our Gardaí patrolling the border and stemming the inflow of illegal entry to the state.

facehugger99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075792#Comment_122075792

It would almost be funny if it wasn't so serious.

The Irish people have consistently elected left of center, big-government populist poseurs to represent us. No use crying when the savvy Brits have run circles around us.

I've no doubt the 'Blame the nasty Tories' message which the Government are now desperately trying to sell us, finds a few buyers amongst the hard-of-thinking.

We can whinge all we want at this stage - we elected these morons to represent us - we've well and truly fcuked ourselves.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076332#Comment_122076332

Relative to my wider point. And this is REALLY what all this is about. BREXIT, Northern Ireland Border ..Tories using this as an opertunity to open it all up again, especially with an election in UK nearing + Sunak needing a tangible event to show that his Rwanda imigrant deterence policy works - WE ARE IT:

David Jones, a former Cabinet minister, said on the Irish Governments plans to send migrants back to the UK “If they send them back, they will go back again because there is an open border. The Irish cannot have their cake and eat it. They wanted an open border and they have an open border”.

‌“What it does underline is the effectiveness of the Rwanda policy. Clearly, people are pre-empting that by moving to Ireland. As far as I can see the Irish Government doesn’t know how to address it. I don’t think they ever foresaw a situation like this would arise.”

https://twitter.com/BarryWhyte85/status/1784635186723877332

highpitcheric

could be a good thing.

Now we have to match the UK with a Rwanda deal of our own.

If we dont theyll pour in.

if we do, then theres no incentive for them.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076482#Comment_122076482

I don't think we have enough Gardai to even try.

The Polish/Belerus border is about 3/4 the size of our NI border. They have a wall/fence, 10k soldiers and 2.5k security cameras.

People still come through with relative ease.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076068#Comment_122076068

One of the few politicians to point out to Helen was a shite job she's doing, and you spin it into vote seeking on his behalf.

So can anyone in Leinster house point out the obvious without being accused of ulterior motives? Do we not require honesty and responsibility from them

ToweringPerformance

The most important thing is to remember those who called this months ago are racists and far right lunatics, yeah that's what's important now.

We have been royally screwed by Europe and our government. Parts of the inner city i grew up in now resemble downtown Kinshasa or Kabul and have for some time and now we are seeing this begin to happen in rural and middle class Ireland.

aidanodr

The tweet above I posted ( #17078 ) from BARRY WHYTE ( Chief Reporter for BMAI. Got a story anywhere in Ireland, get in touch Barry.Whyte@newstalk.com )

He replied with this info in reponse to a Q asked "How many go across the border from here into Britain? Also, is the 80pc figure even true?"

Well I got an FOI from the Department of Justice last July which stated that 24% of asylum seekers came via our airports and 1% came via our ports.

The only logical explanation was that 75% where coming via Northern Ireland, and a source in the Department told me at the time that the vast majority of that 75% figure where coming via NI. Plus I’ve sources in the international protection system who have told me for the last two years that many of their residents had previously lived in the UK. And I’ve actually lost count how many asylum seekers have themselves told me this.

https://twitter.com/BarryWhyte85/status/1784638144454737977

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076482#Comment_122076482

I don’t get what difference that will make. People who may be stopped by immigration when crossing into ie: Monaghan just have to say they are claiming asylum. They’re then told to head to the International Protection Office in Dublin for processing. The state cannot turn them around at the border without hearing their case first.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076504#Comment_122076504

Unbelievable stuff really. He obviously has "forgotten" that the British government wanted an open border too and at no point sought a hard border. Notwithstanding the fact that their suggestions on how to maintain an open border were flimsy throughout the negotiations, it was very much in the British interest that a hard border ultimately be avoided. Of course though, the British government have a now longstanding tendency to promote the narrative of the border being an Irish problem that they simply have to tolerate, when in reality it is just as much a British issue as it is an Irish one — and one they are a co-participant in.

Of course, that won't matter to the narrative. They will now pretend that Ireland was the one who wanted a soft border so f**k em.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076482#Comment_122076482

Ermm .. Im not sure we can officially police the open border that is there due to long drawn out negotiations between the EU, Ireland and the UK ( remember the backstop? ) in the last few years post BREXIT. We wanted an open border but for some reason it seems during these negotiations no one really brought up the issue of immigration from UK ( NI ) into Rep of Ireland ( EU ).

i could see these recent negotiations will have to be opened up again now

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076540#Comment_122076540

I wouldn't think of that as a very honest approach, portraying wider Dublin iii breakdown as some kind of a uniquely Irish problem?

Might be that he's just unaware of the wider facts, not a good look in itself, but I suspect he's playing to the anti-immigrant gallery. Looks like quite a few independents are doing the same in fairness.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076201#Comment_122076201

Absolutely… the EU still can't believe that the UK left and are determined to try and "punish" them for it at every turn.

You're absolutely right that we should have put more effort into our relationship with our nearest neighbours for all the reasons you mention - like it or not, we have a lot more in common and shared history (good AND bad!) and common interests than we do with France and the others.

We are an occasional irritant (thanks to our corporation tax policies - though that's been diluted now too) but more often an afterthought in the corridors of the EU, and now an occasional stick with which to beat the UK as well - and when it backfires, it's us that deal with the fallout, not our "friends" on the continent.

Fotish

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076456#Comment_122076456

Can you tell me how an enforced border between Ireland and Northern Ireland would stop illegal migrants when a sea and border in UK can't stop them in the south of England?

gw80

If the Rwanda threat is so much a deterrent then doesn't that mean we should see a huge drop in the amount of dinghies trying to get to the UK from France,

And if the UK is unsafe for migrants then no-one should have any issue with the government instead of sending the navy to the med it should send it to rescue any of the migrants heading to the UK and escorting them back to France and the "safety" of the eu.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076569#Comment_122076569

🤣🤣🤣

After all the shite the british media and government talked during brexit your hot take is they care about us more than the EU.

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/?utm_source=twitter_short

😂🤣

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076565#Comment_122076565

Even though we had huge AS numbers entering the country via that route fpr decades. Again all this was well known to past and present governments.

Rwanda is smoke and mirrors. This issue has always existed. Harris is going to use it as a play to the media and they're going to lap it up.

OMG it's all the Brits fault we have tents on Mount Street.

This failing is our own government's not the British and not the EUs. We have the ability to deter already. We are choosing not too.

Anyone using this to champion Brexit or indeed the British establishment is a fool or an agenda driven fool.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076598#Comment_122076598

As i mentioned further up - this is a far wider thing in my view ( and having listened to talk shows this morn on de radio ). BREXIT, Northern Ireland Border ( remember the backstop? ) ..Tories using this as an oportunity to open it all up again ( Stir the sh1t ), especially with an election in UK nearing + Sunak needing a tangible event to show that his Rwanda imigrant deterence policy works - WE ARE IT ( all the imigrants are scared of being shipped to Rwanda so they are skipping off back to the EU via Northern Ireland )

Anyway - in the UK this is all politics for the Tories and up and coming election there .. in my view. We agreed with EU, UK re NI in last few years .. to keep open border between UK/NI and Rep of Ireland. But this is a sort of blow back now - imigration through NIs open border into the EU. This potentially shows up that during all these negotiations about NI, they were concentrated on TRADE and potential as an imigrant route was forgotten perhaps

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076542#Comment_122076542

Ah come on, there's clearly a scumbag element consisting of racist homophobic halfwit clowns that can't string a sentence together.

https://twitter.com/ThoughtsToby/status/1784649161222021262?t=hLFieqoKcVmT3O_Qm523RA&s=19

And IFP candidate James Conway is after being arrested for alledgedly vandalising a house. Then you have the McEntee bomb threat.

Everyone of these unhinged people damage the credibility of the very real concerns a lot of us have and want immediate action on.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076569#Comment_122076569

I would say the EU are relieved they got rid of a bunch of troublemakers. It's noticeable that the union has prospered and become more unified since 2016 and achieved some major reforms (shysters like Farage were predicting in summer 2016 that the EU would collapse like a deck of cards now the mighty UK had left).

Economics101

Realistically and politically the Irish land border cannot be sealed, especially for personal movements. The only solution is to enforce identity checks at UK exit points to Ireland, especially N.I.

Irish and UK citizens should still have absolute freedom of movement as at present within the CTA. The only difference would be to have ID as proof of that right.

Of course this would drive the DUP and TUV absolutely apesh*t. Ulster says NO will as usual stand in the way of common sense.

glenfieldman

Helen McEntee pulls out of London conference as migration row with UK deepens

ECookie13

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076641#Comment_122076641

What are the odds that she pulled out as she's in way over her head and not competent enough to answer the questions?

She needs to be booted out ASAP.

baldbear

After 6 months an international protection applicant has access to the labour market (it used to be 9) and they can then work for 12 months.

Does anyone know if someone with no documents/destroyed their documents can work as well?

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076664#Comment_122076664

High but I think the Brits and hardline Tories are enjoying the consternation this is causing.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076664#Comment_122076664

But this is a sort of blow back now for Irish gov inc McEntee, - imigration through NIs open border into the EU ( Ireland ), perhaps an inevitable consequence? This potentially shows up that during all these negotiations about NI ( between UK, EU and Irish Gov ), they were concentrated on TRADE and the potential as an open border with UK/NI as an imigrant route was forgotten perhaps? Which could now lead to these negotiations being opened again

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076672#Comment_122076672

Would you sooner they couldn't work and somebody came on a visa to do the job instead?

Wouldn't that be twice the pressure on housing and services?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076624#Comment_122076624

Holy good god. I really can't tell if that video is meant as a parody.

One of the voices in the video sounds like it is snotser from the Den.

https://youtu.be/4fHD8QQXo_s?si=6HPu-0scoJ8Mitqc