Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075634#Comment_122075634

I'm by no means a FFG fan, but I felt sorry for McEntee dealing with McNamara at that committee hearing.

I've heard people claim it went viral but I'm not sure how true that it outside certain circles.

There he was 'grilling' her on Dublin iii failures despite the fact that that system has failed throughout Europe. A number of smaller European countries have been unable to return IPA's despite receiving agreement they would be accepted. As have larger countries, though to a slightly lessor extent. Yet he was making out like it was some dramatic failure on her departments part.

I don't think McEntee has done a good job, but she has a difficult brief, and dealing with showboating, career independents likely out to pick up the cheap populist votes would annoy anybody.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076037#Comment_122076037

If we’re the cul de sac, this migrant pact will mean that other countries will be paying us the money to keep the migrants rather than taking their share. Was it Leo who said we’d pay into the system rather than take the people?

McDermotX

Sometimes you just have to hold your hand up and say - fair play Brits, yis got us.

Of course, anyone with an ounce of sense and responsibility could have envisaged such a problem rearing its head, but no. Paddy just keeps arseing along with our head in the ground

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075978#Comment_122075978

It's pure politics/optics.

The plan is and always has been to do nothing. But now it's the UKs fault and because of Brexit and a border free NI, which is the will of the majority on this island. Harris/government hands are tied.

Rwanda has not increased our numbers. I doubt the UK will even put a dent in their own numbers with it.

Harris can now continue to do nothing but he now has a bogey man to deflect on. Amd we all hate the Brits so its fcuking perfect for him.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075830#Comment_122075830

Even the usual crowd calling people far right and racists are increasingly quiet.

highpitcheric

id like to see the public hold the ferry companies to account.

If theyre transporting GB/the UKs asylum seekers over to us anonymously, then they may be complicit in fcking the country over.

ToweringPerformance

This is a time for serious decisions now from serious people. We have Harris and McEntee to make those decisions. Shudder.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076108#Comment_122076108

I was thinking that earlier too.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075994#Comment_122075994

there are a few other reasons economic migrants would chose Ireland over other EU countries:

• English speaking (France similarly gets lots of “refugees” due to the dominance of French in Africa.)
• Own door accomadation
• No border
• Soft approach to border anyway

Now with England slowly closing the door we are the next easiest target.

combat14

light tents in a wet mucky cavan/monaghan field right bang on the northern border is the only answer - rwanda or wherever will have to appear like a much better option

no more free houses and hotels unless we want to be utterly swamped

highpitcheric

they have a general election coming up, by jan 2025. Labour look set to win, and theyve promised to scrap the rwanda thing.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076054#Comment_122076054

It is specific. It is those registering with the IPA for asylum only. Could be more entrants undocumented working in black market here

brickster69

Rishi Sunak's just announced a new scheme called " get out to help out " Every Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday all ferry prices will be 50% off until Christmas.

gw80

We have been played by Europe and the UK,

We sided with the eu when it came to brexit when we should have been developing our own relationship with the UK with regards to issues like immigration because of the CTA we have with the UK, but because of irelands pandering to the eu we have caused more division between the two countries, and that suits Europe also,

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076169#Comment_122076169

Banty says no need for it. He'll put some of the 130 million to work and build a few nice big hotels on the border. Ideal.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075965#Comment_122075965

How much influence do you think we'd have on it all outside the EU? (afair from my long reading of the forum you are a bit of an anti EU zealot!). Like the British, the failure to deal with it better is on our own head, mostly.

That's what has happened with the British electorate, they blamed "the EU/Brussels" and voted to leave, partly over migration. They now find they can't just send gunboats across the channel and order the awful French to take them back. It's much harder for them to create any agreement (get France to accept them) outside the EU.

They also found out the pro-Brexit politicians in the Tories were dishonest about the whole thing, and migration from Rest of the World has been increased to offset the reduced EU migration!

Funny thing is I think the whole political "mood" around asylum/migration is changing rapidly enough at an EU level and our own govt. is falling out of step.

Was a segment about this new asylum/migration pact (which Ireland has signed up to) on RTÉ radio yesterday and it was a bit of a 1 sided piece. Usual NGOs and vested interests all lined up shítting all over it, wailing and rending their beards about it being cruel, inhumane, unworkable etc!

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075878#Comment_122075878

378 in last weekly report. It's probably not everyone's first option to sleep on a street for weeks/ months.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2e772-april-2024/

Rwanda or mount Street, neither are great options. Maybe it's government policy, there's loads of boarded up flats and houses right beside the people in tents. For all we know this is a deliberate government deterrent policy.

gw80

They should have been and still should be turning them back in the Mediterranean,

It should have been nibbed right then,instead ireland sent its navy boats to "rescue" them.

Maybe some dirty tactics are necessary now,

Bare with me here, what if any new migrants that come from the UK via Northern Ireland, what if we give them a sort of special irish citizenship card that only allows them to use the CTA we have with the UK, and no other rights,so they can travel back to the UK and they cannot be deported as they are irish "citizens".

I can't see a flaw with this,;)

aidanodr

Looks like UK have solved there immigrant issues and alot cheaper that Rwanda solution too. Just ship them to Northern Ireland and over the border into Ireland / EU.

Its rather circular then isnt it - From EU ( France ) by boat to UK, move them to Northern Ireland and send them back to the EU again ( Ireland )

As we have no border in with the UK ( Northern Ireland ), I still wonder what the medium / long term implications of this will be for Ireland in the EU as we are NOT policing an EU border and at the moment it seems letting anyone cross from the UK into the EU ( via NI into Ireland )

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076269#Comment_122076269

The problem is they are getting into the EU from all over. Without solving that nothing changes.

gw80

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076234#Comment_122076234

This will probably be the next thing if the numbers of migrants living on the streets,

We will have the ngo,s advising people to start squating in unused premises,it seems to be an increasing issue in the USA of late,

What are our squatters rights laws like?

If groups of immigrants decide to move in to an empty building,would the government be able to stomach the optics of them being dragged out and left to live on the streets, I don't think so.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076297#Comment_122076297

maybe we should point the future international squaters to all the lovely vacant holidays in the west of ireland and give them free credit cards while we are at it

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076290#Comment_122076290

Yip but here we have a bit of a difference - They are leaving the EU going from France to UK. And then going back into the EU from UK/Northern Ireland into Ireland/EU. And through an unpoliced border due to NI agreements that the UK also signed up to. So this is all in the mix too, its not just about migrants, its about recent agreements the EU did with UK re NI and to an extent the GFA

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076332#Comment_122076332

Well they must of got into the Eu from another non EU country at some stage, and presumably those are policed. Someone is not doing their job properly somewhere.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075534#Comment_122075534

No, we have known this for at least the last 8 - 12 months.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076383#Comment_122076383

Broader things at play here .. brexit deals re NI is being raised, was immigration thought of when discussing any deals re open borders tween NI and Rep of IRL

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075268#Comment_122075268

OK, so what is you position then?? You regularly express very firm views on these matters. I've summarised the main points you've made repeatedly over the various threads. But you don't seem to want to own them or their consequences. Please stop prevaricating.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076419#Comment_122076419

We have certainly heard mention this year that 'a majority' of asylum seekers might be coming in via the NI route, but last week was the first time we heard that the figure might be as high as 80%….that seemed to come as a surprise to a lot of people.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122076383#Comment_122076383

Or it might be that 'hard borders' are very difficult, if not impossible, to implement in some circumstances?

They don't seem to be having too much success at the southern US border either, regardless of Dems or Reps being in power, and have spent billions.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075042#Comment_122075042

Thats what happens when you are governed by a group of wooden heads that are so out of their depth , scary thing is they dont realise it.

Constantly being outmanouvered. Ireland soon to become largest migrant camp in europe.