Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071840#Comment_122071840

Asylum seekers all end up as refugees that the point

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071867#Comment_122071867

Do they?

I thought there was a 60% failure in claims, that is what was posted here anyway.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071519#Comment_122071519

well it now sounds like we are in an emergency (with frequent arsons here, garda riot squads being deployed, and multiple bomb threats on minister for justice home)

we all know the UK is a perfectly safe state for country shopping migrants - thats why we have maintained our common travel area

the goverment must have come to the same conclusion too

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071886#Comment_122071886

How many times have you to be told ,even if 60% are declined which there is no proof ,all they have do is appeal and reapply .how many have actually been deported?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071933#Comment_122071933

But if their claims are rejected, then they are not refugees. So they don't get a stamp 4. So they won't be on dole.

Jeff2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071994#Comment_122071994

If their claim is rejected are sent out of the country or do they stay here still. To try again and again.

thereiver

We cannot reject immigrants from the eu

people have the right to travel to work in any eu country if they are an eu citizen

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072115#Comment_122072115

WRONG! We can legally send home any EU citizen if they are found to be not able to support themselves. Removal Orders are perfectly fine under Article 27 of Directive 2004/38/EC.

I'd shudder to think of the abject failure of any Irish Justice Minister, either current or previous to have upheld this directive

Jeff2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072115#Comment_122072115

Yeah, and they are welcome here from other EU countries to work here with the right visa.

People with no documents well kick them out to where they came from.

I was a bit shocked today as some politicians have decided that people coming here could be sent back to UK.

The same people that said it was good for out country to have them coming here.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121973688#Comment_121973688

So take refuge in LAGOS then.

cute geoge

The dogs in the street even know the upcoming elections will be a shlt show for all in Government parties and rightly so !. It has being tiring arguing the same point here over and over with certain pro government appointed posters but in general the ordinary man in the street will get his say soon enough and I am expecting a general election could be on the cards also

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072373#Comment_122072373

they're going to be a **** show for SF too

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071932#Comment_122071932

Yes but we have decided the UK is not a safe country for asylum seekers. We can't blame the UK the EU or anyone else for that, we made the ruling. As we are the closest country to them we have the main responsibility for saving those asylum seekers and should ve taking hundreds of thousands of them, as most countries in a similar position are doing.

Unless of course the ruling and our politicians statements are just old fashioned anti English racism which is blowing up in our face.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072427#Comment_122072427

ireland isn't most countries though - we have a much smaller population than the UK and a dire and very obvious lack of accomodation that will take at least a decade to resolve

we have already taken in approx. a million new residents from the new EU accession states over the last 20 years and now have 14000 homeless here including 4000 children

we are simply no where in a position to "save" hundreds of thousands (or millions - where does it end!?) illegal migrants at present

the term "border" implies a full stop to entry unless we are in a secure position to allow entry to the state

without a border we are no longer a secure, safe functioning state

in terms of responsibilities, france with its colonial past has a far greater responsibility and capability to house would be migrants to the UK/Ireland. The last I heard France was a very safe EU country but many illegal border hopping migrants seem to be adopting an a la carte country shopping approach and have decided that they can break international laws and pick and choose precisely where they want to go - this is simply not realistic or acceptable

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072443#Comment_122072443

Yes but every country that has an unsafe country bordering them has to just suck it up and deal with all those issues.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072458#Comment_122072458

we are an island with a housing crisis - we dont necessarily have to "suck it up"

the climate here is not suitable for long term tent cities like other more hosptitable destinations

the truth is we are now seen as a foolish soft touch handing out free houses to all who come here - we now have run out of free houses/hotels - its time for change

zell12

Daily Mail shouts:

Gussie Scrotch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072443#Comment_122072443

I think this is yet another move to present the government as being responsive to immigration concerns among the electorate.

I do not see how it could be made to work, short of reintroducing border checks and cancelling the CTA with Britain.

To be fair to Sunak, he was not gleeful about the problems his government has caused to Ireland but rather that the purpose of the Rwanda initiative was de-incentivisation of the UK as a preferred destination. And he is also playing to the gallery.

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072472#Comment_122072472

They should be put straight on the plane to Rwonda

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072469#Comment_122072469

I agree with you but we keep bringing things on ourselves. We decided to call the UK an unsafe country. Any consequences of that will have to be dealt with by us alone.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072479#Comment_122072479

i guess the beauty of being in the EU is we are part of a 27 nation block we dont necessarily have to deal with anything alone

laws can also be changed as we have seen time and time again

StrawbsM

What if the UK say they’re not accepting them back? Haven’t we been told by numerous posters that IPA’s can’t easily be sent back to countries on the African and Asian continents due to that country not accepting them?

Where’s the emergency law sending them back to Tunisia or Libya if they got on a boat there and travelled to Italy. Then travelled across Europe to Calais, got on a boat there to the UK then traveled all the way to Northern Ireland and got on a bus to Dublin.

If it’s seen as a deterrent to travel from Central Europe in the first place then that’s fine but signing up to the migration pact will mean they get here anyway in the end.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072502#Comment_122072502

if african, asian and now european countries are not accepting illegal migrants we dont have to accept sovereign border violaters either

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072514#Comment_122072514

We decided that we have to accept them though. We have determined that they are crossing the border from an unsafe country to a safe country, in other words they are doing the right thing and are legitimate asylum seekers. The fact that they crossed that border is proof that they are genuine.

We have made this mess.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072514#Comment_122072514

Do you see what I’m getting at though?

If someone lands at the IPA office in Dublin tomorrow claiming asylum and they say they’re from Sudan. They’re asked how they got to Dublin and they say they travelled over land to Tunisia. They then got on a boat to Italy and travelled over land to Calais. They then got in a boat to UK and travelled over land and boat to Northern Ireland. Then they got a bus to Dublin.

If they didn’t claim asylum until Dublin then why is our government looking at emergency laws to send them back to the UK? Where are the emergency laws to send them to Tunisia?

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072544#Comment_122072544

Amazingly we may have panicked politicians making statements without even considering such basics. I suspect the anti English rhetoric from our politicians in the last few days is a desperate attempt to distract from their incompetence.

They call irish citizens far right but they can't go that far with the UK but its the same strategy.

DeadHand

This will not stop until measures are take to stop it.

The government prefer to silence public opinion on the subject rather than address the core issue. That is the function of their anti-democratic new hate legalisation and the official/media campaign to cast much of the opposition to their practices and policies on immigration as "Far Right".

Just as not a single person need be sent to Rwanda for that strange policy to work as deterrent to illegal immigration, not a single person need be prosecuted under the new hate legalisation for it to act as deterrent to public dissent.

Tackling the problem effectively would require political will, courage and risk taking. Simply suppressing public discourse instead is easier and less risky (to their own careers).

They withhold key information on migration. They spread disinformation about it while soberly warning us of the dangers of the same. They hide behind ignorance (see McEntee's shameful performance). They hide behind dishonest claims of powerlessness (international obligations).

There is nothing morally right or inevitable about the current shambles.

There are no warzones near us. The choice is never between death and Ireland. Not a single IPA NEEDS to be here.

Even the Department of Justice has now acknowledged what was known by many of us for a decade: the Asylum system is not about asylum. It is a reliable means for immigrants to eventually access the economy and generous social welfare of this country regardless of their skills, suitability and history, criminal or otherwise.

There is no moral problem with rejecting or detering people claiming asylum. They will not be endangered if we do. They have multiple other options. This fact should inform policy.

There are ways out of this.

People laughed at the Rwanda plan, but it's already working as deterrent. It's diverting the flow towards us, we need to divert in turn.

Denmark makes it nighmarishly difficult to gain residency. As a result, IPA applications have dried up, social cohesion has been maintained and the legs cut from under a nascent (and existent) Far Right.

We need our own plan.

We need a deterrent.

We need it fast.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072525#Comment_122072525

Absolutely, just listen to any NGO spokesman on the radio like Nick Henderson. The solution to the ever increasing number of asylum seekers (up 87% this year compared to the same period last year) is not to try and limit the numbers but to find more accommodation for them.

The likes of PBP and MASI are against any deportations. McEntee can say we will go for quicker descions but it’s meaningless if they just end up staying anyway.

The UK must be delighted now that they have shifted their asylum problem over to us. The Sunday times reports increased checks on transport from the North planned but what’s the point when anyone stopped can just claim asylum?

ooter

Brendan O'Connor just said gardai are setting up checkpoints along the "border" to check for illegal immigrants coming across from mainland UK .