HSE Recruitment Panel - How does it work?

mwydro

Hi all, I applied for a job with HSE and received an email congratulating me on being put on a ‘panel’ (3rd). I haven’t been involved with a process like this before, initially thought it was quite strange being congratulated for being ‘awarded’ a place on the panel when I’m not the ‘number 1’ candidate.

I applied for a specific post, with one post available, JD states a ‘panel may be created from successful candidates’.

I’ve gone through numerous guides online, most are referring to large scale panel-creating interview processes (such as creating a pool of Physios for example) but not specific posts

From my understanding, the ‘expressions of interest’ will be shared with candidates, starting at number 1. Obviously the expectation is that person will take the job.

Couple of queries:

Does the creation of a panel mean there are other jobs in the pipeline that I would be applicable for? Or is the panel creation process just standard procedure, thus I shouldn’t hold my breath about other posts?

I’m aware being placed on the panel doesn’t mean I should expect to he called for other roles… just wondering if panels are created anyway or are they only created if there are other opportunities in mind/coming up?

Has anyone been put on this recruitment process before? Any ideas what I should be expecting? 

How long does this process generally take?

I’m assuming it doesn’t mean much so I don’t have any expectations that I’ll be recruited, just confused as to the process!

Thanks in advance!

Mrs OBumble

On the HSE there's no expectation that number 1 will take a specific post: EOI will be sent to a few people, and the highest placed who expresses interest will take the post. The rest stay on the panel for the next post.

mwydro

Thanks! Do you know if the panels are created with other posts in mind? Or is it just bog standard practice?

Does the panel size change depending on the estimated number of jobs that may become available?

Mrs OBumble

It depends on the area and occupational group, AFAIK, Sometimes it's bog-standard practise: having reviewed a bunch of applications and done some interviews, they'd like to keep the good ones on hand in case a vacancy comes up

But unless you get into some very large groups, it is difficult to predict how many vacancies there will be in a year. Eg a hospital with N-hundred FTE nurses knows it will probably have V vacancies each year - but not what level they will be at, or in what speciality: while a clerical officer can be moved from one department to the next with more-or-less transferable skills, the same ain't true for nurses except at the lowest levels.

DailyDan

Hi, I'm in the same situation and also have those same queries. Placed 6th on a panel for a specific post and I'm fairly certain someone ahead of me on the panel will accept the post.

I was wondering if future posts would be created in that grade and area so the HSE can pull from the panel, otherwise it seems like waste of resources to create panel for one post?

Augme

The creation of a panel exists to save resources. Even in the situation there is one post and there's no plans to create an additional post it is generally considered good practice to create a panel. The creation of the panel requires very little resources, it just basically grouping the people who passed onto a list and saving that in a folder.

The panel can then be used if the person first on the panel who initially took up the role doesn't remain in the job. This means that rather than doing the whole recruitment process all over again you just go to the next person on the list.

Basically don't assume that because there's a panel it means there will be a other job or role created. They aren't always correlated.

Bodmar12

Within the HSE, panels are usually kept for at least 1 year for number of reasons.

The person leaving the role may have to use up annual leave accrued and also work up their notice period, usually 1 month min. but may vary depending on the role.

Within that timeframe alone persons in position 1, 2 or other may have already secured alternative employment and the employer will then approach the nxt candidate in line.

Also with the HSE they have long vetting process, checking references and qualifications and also garda vetting. This can throw up all sorts and cause candidates to be dropped from the panel.

Other reasons for forming a panel would include offering "fixed term" or "specified purpose contracts"

These would be to fill the role of say a person taking a sabaticle or maternity or other leave.

Employer can offer these type of contracts for the role to the nxt available candidate.

Its also not uncommon to be on a panel for 12 months before being contacted.

Basicaly the panel stops the need to carry out further interviews..

Hope this helps

mtb_sends

@Bodmar12 Any idea how long the vetting process typically takes?

Bodmar12

Can vary 6 to 8 weeks but can be longer..

HSE dont accept written CV's as bona fide. They use the contact info of person/s who are giving the reference and contact them.directly to fill out their questionaire and wait for thar to be done and returned..

Usually between 3 and 5 references are needed. And also the garda vetting can take differrent lenghts of time...depending on many things, especially if they have to contact other juristictions or countries.

mtb_sends

@Bodmar12 are the questionaire and garda vetting a part of the recruitment for all roles or only certain areas. I naively thought it was little more than a call to confirm dates of employment

pygmaliondreams

Hi and congrats, a friend of mine also has an interview with the HSE for CO coming up.

What kind of questions are to be expected?

Bodmar12

All.roles ....as their is usually contact with the public or patients or other vulnerable persons.

half pint

Hi, I have just got through this process myself. In my application the HSE asked for 3 referees, they only contacted the first 2 on the list to fill out the questionaire.

The Garda vetting is for everyone who works in the HSE no matter what the job and unfortunately it can take many weeks to come through.

mtb_sends

Hi @half pint Thats grand thanks for the info. How long was your recruitment process from the time you did the interview to starting your role?

half pint

I did the interview in early October and I started work there this week. I was placed about halfway down the local panel. I also had to give a lot of notice in my old job so that delayed my start by a few weeks.

mtb_sends

@half pint Thanks. I only interviewed mid-December so I probably have some time to wait yet.

mwydro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203321#Comment_120203321

How long did it take between the interview results being sent and the expressions of interest stage?

I interviewed a the start of December, no EOI yet!

half pint

I was placed on a panel mid October. About a week later the EOI mails started. I was well down the panel so it took over a month to get something. This was a regional panel so I think they had a good few jobs lined up waiting for the panel to form. Hope you get something soon!

mtb_sends

@half pint Is the questionnaire emailed or posted to them do you know?

Minier81

Garda vetting is about 2 weeks at the moment. We had some people vetted in late Jan and took 2 weeks. It can take longer, when demand is up. Also takes longer if you have lived abroad.

Minier81

References are done emailing form to referees and they can return it by email.

half pint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120255331#Comment_120255331

Sorry I'm unsure which questionnaire you mean??

mtb_sends

@half pint Hi, did you have to fill out a verification of service form as part of the process or is that only for existing public sector staff?

Sunflower47

Hi I was placed 64 on a north Dublin panel - national recruitment campaign for grade IV. Is it likely to get offered something within a year. I asked how big the panel but they would divulge for data protection?

Clairebear500

That data protection excuse is bull. You are asking for very broad anonymised information. They are a public service body and are obliged to release this kind of information i.e. if a media outlet asked how many people were on a panel, they would be obliged to release it under FOI. Equally you could ask for the info under FOI yourself but I understand you're probably reluctant to be seen to be antagonistic in your position. Anyway their bull response just riles me. It's more laziness or someone full of their own ignorant importance.

I am me123

Hi

When a panel is created, and candidates are placed, does this mean there are jobs available?

Bubblegum19

So I was advised that two primary panels Will expire end of the month and I am on a supplementary panel.

I was advised there are a number of small panels still, no idea what the chances are of getting a post now to Christmas as my panel expires end of year.

Any one know how many of these supplement panels are live?

It's C.O

dingood21

I interviewed with HSE on 23 of October 2024 I am yet to receive my interview results.its been two weeks though just wondering what's up

stargazer 68

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122815767#Comment_122815767

Posts are still on hold. We have several interviews completed for all kinds of roles and results haven't been sent out and we don't know when they will. INMO balloted yesterday for strike action due to the failure to fill vacant posts etc.

JesseJane

It is a disaster. The Regional Managers are saying that it will be next year at least before current admin staff can move across the sector if they are not suited or unhappy in their current posts. Its beyond ridiculous what is going on and so many are leaving the service. Vacant posts all over and no willingness to fill either with current staff or panels due to the pay and numbers strategy yet millions being forked out to temporarily fill with agency staff!

Dalkin

Hi everyone.

I have only skim read this thread so apologies if someone has already covered this.

Depending on what position you applied for I would strongly advise continuing to look elsewhere when applying for a position with the HSE.

Over two years ago I came second for a position as a data analyst. There were more than two jobs going so I was certain to get a position.

I have never experienced anything so slow! About 3 months after the interview I was told I would be appointed to a position quickly. I can't remember exactly what was said but I expected to be getting the position within a matter of weeks.

For the next 10 months or so the red tape was extraordinary!

Eventually at the end of the 10 months I received an email asking for a description from my employers at the time AND my previous employers! Apparently they needed this to be certain the positions I previously held were " equivalent" or some such rubbish.

At this stage I told them I was not wasting any more time and withdrew my application.

I understand if someone is a nurse or whatever but life is too short to be bothered with the HSE otherwise!

ireland109

I’m currently working agency in a position that I could be hired directly into, especially as I’m on a panel for this position. No one seems to have any answer on when offers will be sent out, it’s all extremely slow. I’m curious to see what will happen once the balloting from the unions is complete in a few weeks

JesseJane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830783#Comment_122830783

I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in one basket if I were you I would be looking elsewhere aswell. A friend of mine is agency and was filling a vacant post on a month to month basis. They loved her as she was great at the job, shes also high up on a panel. Last week she was told the role would be shared among existing staff and she is needed no longer. The other staff are fuming as they barely have the time to fulfill their own duties! She has been offer a one month contract in a centre 35 miles away instead! They don't care how good you are or where you are on a panel theorganisation is a total mess and personally I am searching very hard for a new job as I am just a number and it I'd all about box ticking they don't care about their employees mental or physical health.

ireland109

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830899#Comment_122830899

Thanks that’s good to know. I have honestly lost hope at this stage re getting a job with the HSE. I am currently looking for a new job but it’s quite difficult to find anything if it’s not agency unless I actually move to a different county altogether where they have more opportunities. Such a disaster it’s shocking that this has been allowed to go on for this long

JesseJane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830979#Comment_122830979

I know, I was thrilled when I was offered a post but it has been soul destroying. I have been to occupational health and still Management say they "can't" move me. I have given up on trying and putting my health first. You have to keep believing that things will change for the better or that something else will come up, somewhere where you are valued for starters! Good luck with everything.

robinbird

Think the unions are largely at fault for deliberately putting off any prospect of action till after the election.. By then FG/FF will be in government for another five years. And it will be too late..The time for action to force a change in policy was before the election..

FG now promising to use the Apple billions for subsidies to drive up house prices and rents..

ireland109

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122831658#Comment_122831658

yes the unions have definitely delayed things, even when the freeze was first introduced there should have been more action from them. Waiting till after the election is too little too late, nothing will change.

nearby_cheetah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830666#Comment_122830666

yet millions being forked out to temporarily fill with agency staff!

Please stop the faux concern about the staff costs, it's nauseating. It is much better value for money than paying unsackable staff for years plus their pensions.

The unions should be told to f*ck off. They have no right to be interfering in who does and does not get hired.

It's because of the disgraceful failure to face down unions that have caused thousands of hours to be taken out of the system by reducing the work week from a perfectly reasonable 37 hours to a 35 hour week.

If you feel over worked, you can partly blame yourself and your unions for it.

the whole year inn

I am on a panel waiting list aswell. Is it ok to email and enqury where they are with a panel process or if any panels accpected any roles ?

robinbird

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122863630#Comment_122863630

Pointless. They will give you no information..

robinbird

HSE has just launched a nationwide recruitment campaign for clerical officers. Strong indicator that intention is now to expire panels that are in place for more than a year.

https://careersportal.ie/news/new-role-for-temporary-clerical-officers-nationwide

robinbird

New Grade IV panel recruitment likely to follow

https://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/jobs/job-search/management-admin-ict/ncgltiv.html

JesseJane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122866487#Comment_122866487

YeaYeah a few fours have come up the last week which is great.

robinbird

Depends on personal circumstances. There are a lot of people on panels for over a year with no offers..If the intention is now to have new Grade III, IV, V and VI recruitment campaigns the current panels will be expired once the new panels are in place.

robinbird

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